Alliance Task: Ninja Mine

friznit · Post by **friznit** » May 3rd, 2007, 8:55

Thread up on the Alliance forum here

We're the logistics/mining/organisation monkeys so lets show em what we can do when 5punk means business. I'm going to hand out some tasks, hope you guys don't mind

Action points:

1. Identify a mining system (criteria = number of belts, ore types, traffic, proximity to Unity).

Jimmy, can you make a shortlist please. Anyone who's around Prov have a scout around and come up with some ideas and let Jimmy know. Forgot to add Silver - you're single, don't have a job, know exactly what we need, and are awake (some of the time). Get going monkey boy!

2. Prep carriers, haulers, barges, mods, POS, fuel, cynos. 5punkorp will sort out a selection of T1 and T2 fitted covetors for general use. We'v got 2 carriers, should be enough

Dres: Barges, mods, crystals, haulers, fittings (make use of those T2 expanders!). You know the score. Check with Jimmy to see what fits in a carrier. Everything labelled up, in cans or cargo holds and ready to deploy would be sweet!

3. Do we go for a small POS with lots of hangar arrays and freighter the ore to Unity, or a large POS with a refining array and jump the minerals out? Opinions?

Anyone still got a small POS tucked away? If not I'll go buy one. We should have enough fuel and fittings in elgoi already

4. Exploration: hidden belts obviously much preferred. On the day anyone who can explore should get stuck in around the area.

Who's up for a bit of 0.0 exploration around Prov? Come to think of it, we don't have to wait for the day to do this. Could be fun/profitable to do it alot more!

Basic deployment plan:

Explore for a hidden belt
Combat team and cyno move into system
Jump in a small pos with hangar arrays
Jump in barges and haulers
Drink
Mine till your eyes bleed
Freighter ore to unity?
...
Profit

Failing that, we skip step one and just pick a nice looking system.

Suggest we go with Dres's op in Elgoi this weekend (I'm away all weekend btw) and spam the low ends, while we get all the shit sorted for this 0.0 op. Then go for it next weekend - Dres: think of this as a trial run. Work out what barges, fittings, haulers etc you're going to need and get more built if required

Hehulk · Post by **Hehulk** » May 3rd, 2007, 9:21

I was actually think about this last night/this morning, and I came to the conclusion that moving into the nearby 6/10 that IAC reputidly control and abuse all the resources in there. Reason I think it's a good idea is

1) It's easy to lock that constellation down with a few large bubbles
2) 6/10s run often enough are a decent supply of isk, and I'm quite happy to spend a load of isk on silver now to get him a basilisk to support shield tankers.
3) It'd piss of IAC, and baring huge horrible blobby death I think that's a good thing.

Downside is there's all of 5 belts in the complex system, and the ores shit, but then it's providence, so all we're going get anywhere is shit. Oh the up side, it's safer than lowsec, and does give us limited supplys of zydrine to work with. Megas easy to get with the way sanshas drop crystals.

Other option is YQB. Same shit ore, same complex, more belts, less pissing IAC off.

traveyb · Post by **traveyb** » May 3rd, 2007, 9:29

Will get on it tonight. /me buys new covert.
I sold my small POS as I needed iskies -.- where is fea's carrier based atm?

For carrier fitting: Ship maint bay is 500,000m3.

So for example, Covetor is 250,000m3, Hulk 250,000m3, Itty5 275,000m3.

If you could work around that number, and say assign 2x Covetor to jimmy, 1x Itty 5 + 1x Retriver to Fea (for example).

Hehulk · Post by **Hehulk** » May 3rd, 2007, 9:33

Why can't we load hulks/coveters into maxed out transport ships (borrow wiggys?) and just move them all in one?

friznit · Post by **friznit** » May 3rd, 2007, 9:42

Either works. Just got to work out what we need to take and then shoe horn it all into a couple of carriers. I think Fea's is in Esa at the mo, together with a bustard and a crane. Both those ships could use some T2 expanders and cargo rigs on though (expanders we have, rigs I can probably steel enough bits from Mano's stocks).

I'll sort out the POS shit tonight and go buy a little one. Btw, if you're sorting out any logistics stuff can we remember to stick to the basic rules I laid out a while back to avoid us losing crap again? To reiterate:

Freighter Moves: use labelled freight containers and packaged ships only

Hauler/carrier moves: use labelled giant secures and unpackaged ships with full cargos

Labels should include your name and the drop off point.

Make a detailed list of everything you hand over to the hauler pilot.

It's your responsibility to make sure your stuff gets to where you want it, not the hauler!

centerededgedesign · Post by **centerededgedesign** » May 3rd, 2007, 11:07

Jimmy, can I get an ore report, or should I just get all the T2 crystals we can afford and cover all the ores, since with the exploration we'll not know what to expect?

Any word from Quin lately? Dolly, are you gonna come play w/ the ninja mining? Saturday is wide open for me atm, but might need to relocate to library to avoid MIL interference since she learned to unplug the router to annoy me. This is away weekend for my daughter, my final project is due Friday, and none of my online finals open up until Sunday!

Go MINING!

Oh, and another question, but could somebody check the local market there for covetors? Just in case they're cheap we could just buy there and ship more haulers out w/ fittings and POS bits. Also, can you fit an unpackaged Covetor in an Iteron? (I would guess 2 myself w/ full expanders, but can't get on atm to check!)

Also, how many jumps are you expecting to make?

Hehulk · Post by **Hehulk** » May 3rd, 2007, 11:11

centerededgedesign wrote:might need to relocate to library to avoid MIL interference since she learned to unplug the router to annoy me

Superglue ftw!

Just don't get any on the contacts

Dolly Parton · Post by **Dolly Parton** » May 3rd, 2007, 13:29

i would love to help but my 2 kick you in the balls till u bleed finals are this Monday coming up. so practice run no go. afterwards though i got a few weeks of absolutely no school so you'll see me a lot more like it or not then

also I reached 968k LP last night so 1 more night of missions and I should get my 2x CNR offer and missions will taper off a little.

the 6/10 complex i do believe i still have keys for that voy gave me when he left

afterwards when I can play (mining op) I would like my hulk and impel out there. 8 days from kenny getting his 5% mining yield implant plug in, and i got my impel at 5 cargo expanders II/1 cargo rig now need another 2 more expander II and 2 more cargo rigs. haven't done the math but thats a lot of cargo room, if i do the can trick add another 1/4 m3 max to it but that is a lot of cans = lots of windows

dres there should be a ton of T2 mining crystals laying about in elgoi, mine got mixed up on last move and I never took them out and just going to buy more.

friznit · Post by **friznit** » May 3rd, 2007, 13:46

All the T2 crystals we had are are in the ammo section in Elgoi, along with the barges that I believe Dres sorted through a few weeks back.

We'll do as many jumps as is necessary, but the fewer the better. Think really really hard about what you take out, because we won't be staying. Fx, do you really need that impel out in 0.0? Hulkd I can understand, but will you really be hauling for yourself or relying on others? Think carefully, cos if we get rumbled during the op and have to move out in a hurry, you stand to lose everything you take down.

northwesten · Post by **northwesten** » May 3rd, 2007, 13:49

I am pretty much usless for 5punkorp atm. As i be busy with RL work now on. from 3am to 1pm so time you guys on i be in bed. So umm mm sucks. so i putting 100% into my plans now

traveyb · Post by **traveyb** » May 3rd, 2007, 14:07

friznit wrote:Think really really hard about what you take out, because we won't be staying. Fx, do you really need that impel out in 0.0? Hulkd I can understand, but will you really be hauling for yourself or relying on others? Think carefully, cos if we get rumbled during the op and have to move out in a hurry, you stand to lose everything you take down.

^ That.
My opinion at the moment is all T1. Covetor T1 Fitted, T1 Haulers (ok you can have T2 expanders

).

This will be our first alliance mining op. We don't know A) How the locals will react B) The abilites of Hobos defending us. (mean like at the other day, we bomburst into a system and locked down a domi and a falcon within seconds).

If anyone feels different about this, just poke me and go oi no...but we don't want to risk hundreds of millions worth of kit 1st time round...

Dolly Parton · Post by **Dolly Parton** » May 3rd, 2007, 14:21

just like north i am out for now due top RL issues but ...

if someone wants to bring something they know the risk. i bought my hulk and impel for a reason and by not using them they are glorified paper weights. i can always make isk to buy more and since prices keep dropping its not as bad of a loss as it use to be. i thank you for the concern though.

now are we telling people what they are flying now a days or is it still up to them?

ps

side note totally off topic, I talked to our old neighbors in W9, R-E last night. They are doing good, they set up their own alliance as well and just set up an outpost last weekend. merc alliance fyi.

traveyb · Post by **traveyb** » May 3rd, 2007, 14:33

Dolly Parton wrote:just like north i am out for now due top RL issues but ...

if someone wants to bring something they know the risk. i bought my hulk and impel for a reason and by not using them they are glorified paper weights. i can always make isk to buy more and since prices keep dropping its not as bad of a loss as it use to be. i thank you for the concern though.

now are we telling people what they are flying now a days or is it still up to them?

ps

side note totally off topic, I talked to our old neighbors in W9, R-E last night. They are doing good, they set up their own alliance as well and just set up an outpost last weekend. merc alliance fyi.

Didn't mean it like that Dolly, feel free to bring whatever you want. I was just pre-warning people, its our first time and could go a bit wrong

Also need to choose a lowsec jump off point. Maybe Hoth?

northwesten · Post by **northwesten** » May 3rd, 2007, 14:50

Best deffence is Intel! with the falcon and dommi was one one with 2 accounts. He has no scouts at all.

So if we have a alliance mining op Hobo best to have scouts 2 jumps away and interdicter to drop a bubble to slow them down 1 jump away and another in the system we mining. We do that then we should be fine! If a few hostiles show up the hobo can move into place to camp that gate while we hide.

Large and strong fighting horse not what we require. Like when i was flying my Freigther in 0.0 i wanted EW crusir on tackler and loads of scouts which you have plenty of warning.

Dolly Parton · Post by **Dolly Parton** » May 3rd, 2007, 15:21

traveyb wrote:
Didn't mean it like that Dolly, feel free to bring whatever you want. I was just pre-warning people, its our first time and could go a bit wrong

wasn't taken in a negative way just wanted to put it out there that is up to the pilot of the ship to choose not the corp op leaders. now the corp op leaders can suggest what type but to tell someone what to fly is not right. this area of topic is covered so to sum it up:

bring the mining vessel you want, something cheap and disposable is always a good suggestion.

good luck with this weekends op hope its a big success

Dolly Parton · Post by **Dolly Parton** » May 3rd, 2007, 15:41

Is this post by dres the same as the one talking about in here, if so Elgoi is totally fine for a hulk and impel, if not there then maybe i misunderstood what dres wrote

friznit · Post by **friznit** » May 3rd, 2007, 15:51

Same shit, different day. Elgoi's for Soon™ , this

op is for Later™

centerededgedesign · Post by **centerededgedesign** » May 3rd, 2007, 17:07

To clarify for all:

We will be mining in Elgoi Saturday after DT. We will be clearing the system and attempting to scan down some signatures for other ores. if we have to move, Finarnar was a good system that was close by. iirc it was 10+ belts

All ore for the ALLIANCE, probably to be held by 5punk, but if we have cap pilots getting close to flying ships, might as well get some cap ships cooking! I know there was mention of Lyrus bpo's and research, so don't know the particulars of when this can happen, so maybe this will all be used for other things, with profits going to buy more goodies to Carebear Rambo Style with.

The planning in here is for moving to areas w/ rats the size of elephants and other hostile people looking to bum us w/ citadel torpedos. Will be scarier, and therein was the points of bringing only what can be lost w/out people quitting Eve. Maybe that will be T1 covetors, maybe we'll have spare scratch for T2, time and planning and setup will tell. We'll need haulage, and we'll have to figure out what we're doing for POS, since it will determine how we're getting the mined stuff out.

Thanks all for bucking up to help get our 5punky group going in the right direction for our Alliance!

amblin · Post by **amblin** » May 3rd, 2007, 22:34

friznit · Post by **friznit** » May 4th, 2007, 7:41

amblin wrote:The Fea-wagon will be in use for the OP mission - whether in spirit or me in the flesh depends on how drunk Friz gets me when I nip down to say hello. This weekend I shall be in Devon playing with boats, so all have fun now! Oh - and ello! Not posted in here for a while...

Anyone know who's alt this amblin person is?