Ideas for isk making

friznit · Post by **friznit** » April 7th, 2007, 18:05

Jimmy and I were chatting with Steamy about how we can realistically make uber iskies without turning BUM into a mining op defence gang, which will bore everyone pretty quickly. Initially I was keen to have a mutually supporting effort: PvPers defend the miners, miners build ships for the PvPers but as he pointed out, the more of a mess that BUM creates (and that's the plan) the harder life will get for the industrialists. Now, I'm not hugely keen on splitting the player base as you know, but if there was an opportunity for some high end mining in a quiet area it might be worth it.

Basically, 5punkorp could be responsible for running an industrial alt corp which we go be a pet somewhere: pay for mining/ratting rights in a system like C3-, protected by BoB, possibly even run a small POS for a hidey hole and manufacturing slots.

I know it's a bit of a turn around from what I originally said, but if it gets us high end ore mining in relative peace it could be an good idea, though it'd have to be totally separate entity of course. What do people think?

traveyb · Post by **traveyb** » April 7th, 2007, 19:31

IMHO got my vote. If BUM gets war deced, and indy guys are going to be happy. We cant also gurantee decent ores & safey of miners, as it might be a war zone we land in...
Just my 2 isk...

centerededgedesign · Post by **centerededgedesign** » April 7th, 2007, 21:17

Two thoughts:
1. We'd only need an efficient module building array, carriers could come pick up tractor beam output then to move to where it's needed.
2. Who's paying for the fees?

I think it could work well, and I'd volunteer Fw4ppers for that organization. In fact, we've got a few of the bits we'd need to set up a pos somewhere even.

If you think Fw4ppers will work, I'll set about finding some covetor bpc's to build the ships at the locale we're going to, rather than having to hop them in. Then a single carrier jump w/ a pair of Iterons, some fuel, and I'll be set! (I'll even prep the Iterons w/ expanders and rigs so they're EXTRA full). Should fit enough lasers/crystals/bpc's to get us started in spectacular fashion.

friznit · Post by **friznit** » April 8th, 2007, 18:10

Fees? What fees?

Thoughts from this weekend, while I'm stuck doing parental stuff and not able to play much

The KB is looking fucking sexy and I'm missing it all

Nice work on IAC - half the kills have been haulers so far

You should be aware that ISS set us red. Roger Albany convo'd me and asked if we want to be blue, but given that we're after zero politics, NBSI and well...yeah, not going to happen.

Read the Hobos forum about the possible mining/ratting deal. Looks outstandingly sexeh imo - not sure whether to use Fw4ppers or make Yetanotheraltcorp. For neatness we could use Fw4ppers if people are happy that it will become a 0.0 industry corp and no longer a recruiting/training corp. Or do we want something less 5punky given that it'll be BUM alts and not just us?

I think no POS's at least until we get a foothold in the area and get the lay of the land down there.

Dres - if you're happy to be the man in charge (judging by the tone of your post it looks like you may be), let's chat about it sometime. Would anyone else be up for helping run the alt corp (it'll be minimum maintenance I hope, most people looking after themselves).

Taraniis · Post by **Taraniis** » April 8th, 2007, 21:53

So, hang on, let me get my small and shite brain round this one. BUM wants to make a fair bit of trouble for IAC et al, yet wants to make some serious money for it's members. We set up a second industrial pvp corp in BoB space so we can mine, refine and sell like mofos, thus getting loads of isk.

For me this creates a slight problem as Taraniis is a two way split, he has good pvp skills and good mining/refining skills. If BUM isn't going to do any industrial stuff then where would a char like mine go? I would like to mine for money and shoot for laughs and until my alt is ready to fly a covetor I have to use Taraniis for both.

friznit · Post by **friznit** » April 8th, 2007, 22:36

BUM can mine/rat etc in the same place. The alt corp is mostly so we can have plausiable deniability (who me? these aren't the alts you're looking for etc) and also cos some of our industrial toons are also freighter alts so kinda don't want to be in BUM.

I was kinda against an alt corp for the same reasons, but Steamy convinced me somehow. Maybe you should ask him

northwesten · Post by **northwesten** » April 8th, 2007, 23:22

mmm i like the idea but i not sure what to do with my toons tho. Tho i better wait as i have to get a job first and see how i am then.

Atm i using my Alt corp hauling small amount of ammo and mods to 0.0 much as i can. Buy from Tash atm and move it to UK station and then CVA station too i hope. i trying to see if my idea works. Also i hear people Moved T2 mods to bob and get sold in a day or two.

If they need a corp then can use mine

i just kick all the none active crap out

just an offer.

Dolly Parton · Post by **Dolly Parton** » April 9th, 2007, 2:08

kenny will go. going to buy 100 of each of those 3 and mine and rat all day. CNR will have to wait. Seriously when do we go. Also let m e know who is jump hauling out there, i am planning on upgrading the tank b4 i go if i can but if not all good, most important part is getting the hulk there

can a dreadnought jump haul a bs? if so i would like to bring one of my ravens too

dp

Hehulk · Post by **Hehulk** » April 9th, 2007, 8:43

Pfff, come do some foighting for it will ya

RUddy carebears

friznit · Post by **friznit** » April 9th, 2007, 9:16

We'll work out the details of moving stuff out there when we know more about the situation. Until then, just get your stuff sorted as per my logistics post:

Medium can with essential mods (2 per toon at the most)
Freight containers with essential ships (1 can only)
We'll make up corp cans with ammo and mining crystals so don't waste space with those.

Edit: also, no hulks, T2 stuff or anything you don't want to lose for the first few weeks. Disposable is the key word! So covetor bpc's and tractor beams to build them with. We've only got the one jump hauler - I'd prefer to get eveything we need down in only one jump. No bs's either - you fly them down or build them there.

Dolly Parton · Post by **Dolly Parton** » April 9th, 2007, 13:10

Hehulk wrote:Pfff, come do some foighting for it will ya

RUddy carebears

i am a lover not a fighter but if you want a fight i'll send red. thats fine though if pvping someone is what you have to do to have access then thats fine i'll stick to empire mining. what ever though i am fair game either way. just let me know if there is something you need done.

centerededgedesign · Post by **centerededgedesign** » April 9th, 2007, 19:40

Ok, if the basis is getting mining bpc's and unbuildable components (T2 Strips, drones, and crystals) together to seed our station in 0.0 for mining, I'm you man. I'll hop Dres over to Fw4ppers if this is acceptable, (assuming it's the course we'll take) and get things rolling. I couldn't find the topic on Hobo's site, so if it's hidden like this one is, please feel free to put my name in for the job.

Seeing as it will be a major endeavor to support the Alliance, I'm hoping other peeps will be able to support me some as well, maybe a director from each corp or something, as well as a google sheet to track needs/requests and such. Hopefully a weekly jump haul w/ bpc's will be adequate, so we're not out anything terribly expensive if we get camped out by anybody you pvp'ers upset.

friznit · Post by **friznit** » April 9th, 2007, 19:49

There's nothing on the Hobo's site yet. Nothing to do until the deal is finalised. Waiting on word from Steamy I guess, whenever that will be I don't know.

Morrill · Post by **Morrill** » April 9th, 2007, 20:08

Im still sorting out the research pos and trying get cought up on the bpo i currently have. We got a bit of a slam out of the box. Im all in for whatever is going on. Also willing to help in whatever cap required. Im more of an industrailist and will pvp if required but like logistics more. Also Morrill hase the jump haul skills but no carrier as yet. Just info

Jack Slaide/Morrill

friznit · Post by **friznit** » April 9th, 2007, 21:15

OK. Just had a meeting with Steamy/Algey/Ehrine about this. I'll try and outline the main points here:

1. Location for industrial alt corp is still to be decided. The place we thought we were going to get has already been sold by BoB, so looking for a new area.

2. Although not bothered who does the day to day running of the corp, the CEO needs to be one of my alts (I guess cos they know me best or something?). I'll either bump a toon into the CEO slot of Fw4ppers or if you prefer create a new corp. Dres - let me know which (I'm leaning towards new corp and basically closing down Fw4ppers but open to suggestions). Bearing in mind this is basically 3 corps worth of alts, nevertheless I think Dres seems to be keenest to actually run things, but see next point...

3. Industrial alt corp must be separate from all BUM activities - that means we'll have access to go rat/mine with our 5punkorp toon in the same area as the alt corp, but they should not associate (other than employment histories which are unavoidable). In short, no industrial alts should be flying alongside BUM.

4. There'll be no fees but refining at 10 - 15% in station only. We'd get an office and be able to put up POS for manufacturing. There will be a BUM alliance tax though (to pay for alliance fees - approx 20mill pm) and to go towards building cap ships for alliance members (joint effort ftw).

5. Although we have a RL link to our hosts, we'll want to prove ourselves a little too (it feels better if you earn a deal like this rather than just get it on sufference). We'll be doing that as planned though: killing IAC.

centerededgedesign · Post by **centerededgedesign** » April 9th, 2007, 22:17

Hmm, does this mean I'll be working under Mano?

I actually like the plan of another alt toon corp vs. moving Fw4ppers to 0.0. A) it avoids making any enemies for our possible future trainees; B) it gives us our own alt corp to move 5punkers that don't want PVP into in case of war C) It won't cost anything to keep Fw4ppers open, with Cherise just sitting in there to keep the dust off the plastic flowers.

I'll get straight to work on getting stocks counted and reserves priced. How many Covetors should I shoot for? I could probably mine enough mins for a first one with my Myrmidon, then provide cover for an op while mining as well.

Could anyone that is planning an alt w/ covetor skills for this corp kindly evemail me in game so I can get the estimates going? Thanks!