Research POS

friznit · Post by **friznit** » March 21st, 2007, 1:19

A number of people have been talking about a research POS and it would indeed be a useful thing to have. Small POS with 2 or 3 lab arrays in a nearby, quiet system with a station in it would be cracking. However, one thing is for damn sure: it won't be me looking after it. I need a long, long break from POS's. If anyone wants to set this up and run it, the corp will pay for the tower, pos modules and fuel to get it running for the first month. Thereafter it must pay for itself - by that I mean not by corp members subsidising it. Selling bpc's to pay for the fuel would be the most likely plan.

If anyone is interested and can commit to actually running it full time then let me know. I'll help you put it up and offer advice/assistance if you want, and even haul fuel around high sec in the freighter for you once you've bought it. But no more than that!

Morrill · Post by **Morrill** » March 21st, 2007, 4:05

Im up to it. I have been working my faction tush off to set one up myself. Anyhelp would be appreciated.

Miro Mishu · Post by **Miro Mishu** » March 21st, 2007, 5:19

How much does fuel for a month cost? As I was telling Friz this evening, I can assist with the running of a POS like this, but I can't commit to being the main person responsible. My online schedule is so erratic that I would miss fuel mails if it was me alone. However, if this gets off the ground i'd stop in whenever i'm on to see how things are going. My Raven BPO could help pay for upkeep by making and selling BPC's if that is anything to go with.

-Miro/Lara

friznit · Post by **friznit** » March 21st, 2007, 9:50

Small Gallente or Caldari Tower = 100mill
Corp Hangar Array = 9mill
3 x Mobile Labs = 3 x 90mill = 270mill
3 Small Guns = 1.08mill
Strontium (12hrs) = 2mill
Fuel for a month = 35mill (41km3 vol)

Total Setup Costs = 417.08mill

We already have hangar, 2 labs, stront and fuel for a month so initial set up would be 200mill plus a monthly running costs of around 35mill. The corp will bung 200mill at whoever wants to set this up, but it would need to be a net benefit to the corp wallet and members so you'd need to work the various BPO's we have to turn a profit

spearmint_man · Post by **spearmint_man** » March 21st, 2007, 10:54

Hello to all first of all as this is my first post on 5punk.

Secondly apologies if i seem an isk gatherer or arrogant in wanting access to corp hanger - was just joking and kinda expected similar access as i had in fw4apers so apologies there also.

Thirdly to do with the POS -> If a large amount of the fuel was hauled to the station in same system in which the POS was to be based via Mr Friz and his obelisk. Though would offer services as supporting Battle Ship to safe guard passage if needed.

I would be happy to ferry it to the POS from station (yeah I know - not that difficult ), also would be happy providing the 350 mil needed for say the first 10 months of fuel which could be hauled in one go - don’t know if this is possible ??

Also happy to share my BPO Hyperion to assist in making BPC's though would like a share or profits gained as appropriate.

Could just leave an alt there to refuel it when applicable.

friznit · Post by **friznit** » March 21st, 2007, 15:21

Hey Spear! Welcome to this here forum. Don't worry about the corp hangar thing, it'll take some time to get used to the wasy 5punkorp works compared to Fw4ppers. It's all for security and guarding against corp thieves, spies, inadvertant repackaging of cans...that kinda thing.

I'll happily move bulk loads of fuel in the freighter BUT only as long as someone has bought it and collected together in one place. Once it's in the hangar at the POS, actually keeping the tower topped up is the easy bit.

This is the crunch: POS don't run themselves. I am absolutely not going to break my back running another POS and keep it turning a profit for people to occasionally log on and swap over a research job so they can save 30mill a month on their own costs. If we're serious about this, someone is going to have to step forward and take responsibility for it.

I'll leave it to you guys to let me know when you want to go ahead and I'll sort you out with the funds, modules and any advice you want/need to get it going.

Fear · Post by **Fear** » March 21st, 2007, 15:37

I'm not a POS expert by any stretch of imagination, but I was under the impression POSs with 3 Labs used buggerme CPU which puts the running costs with fuel closer to 100 mil / month.

Not sure where I heard this, possibly an EVE-O post I read or something. I could be very wrong.

Hehulk · Post by **Hehulk** » March 21st, 2007, 15:55

Depending upon the size of the POS tower, how much is anchored onto the tower and if your claiming soverginity POS eat between 50-200 mil a month.

50 Mil would be your average small tower in 0.0 with soverginity claim on and a few guns/living modules (Ship hanger array etc). 200 mil would be a deathstar in highsec empire.

Post by **fabyak** » March 21st, 2007, 15:56

Don't forget you need to factor in starbase charters as well for an Empire based POS

Hehulk · Post by **Hehulk** » March 21st, 2007, 15:57

That's why it's 200 mil

traveyb · Post by **traveyb** » March 21st, 2007, 16:07

Poke Traveyb/Jimmy/Alabama/Tracey in game if you need stuff freightering aswell

friznit · Post by **friznit** » March 21st, 2007, 16:12

OK. Morrill just drew my attention to that post he made

He and Brubeck will be putting up a small research tower for the corp. They are currently hoping to do this in high sec and are working hard at sorting the faction standings (not something I know alot about). Once they have a plan they'll let us know.

Those costing I posted are based on a low sec (no charters), non-sov small POS with 3 labs, a hangar array and a couple of fly swatting guns and fuel prices in Jita at time of going to press. Figures, strange though it may seem, are accurate.

Fear · Post by **Fear** » March 21st, 2007, 16:35

I think to anchor a POS in empire you need a corp with +5.0* standings or higher (depending on the security of the system you are anchoring in). Best way to do this would be to create a corp with only one single high-standing member and then add in alts to run the jobs once it is anchored. Once the alts are in it is unlikely your standing will be anywhere near +5.0* because it averages all players (and now not just the positive standings, it includes the negative standings in the mean calculation whereas it didn't before). It would be near impossible for 5punkorp to anchor a POS unless everyone mission whored a single faction.

*A nice Empire POS guide. In fact a bloody good guide.

Miro Mishu · Post by **Miro Mishu** » March 21st, 2007, 17:13

We want to setup a POS in highsec? Is the security of not being shot at worth the extra cost? If we have people with the right faction (Morill) then awesome, but do pirates really go gank lone POS in lowsec? I dunno the politics of lowsec vs empire vs 0.0

Whatever route we go, i'll help as best I can to ease whoever's burden it is. Just lemme know when and where

*EDIT* Can the whole benifit of highsec POS (security) be negated by a simple wardec from a determined opponent?

Dolly Parton · Post by **Dolly Parton** » March 21st, 2007, 17:19

i got faction standings with caladari and amarr above 9.0. not sure where in empire that lets me put up a pos but if you need me i am here and have all the skills to do it and set up a corp to do it or how ever you decide to do it.

Hehulk · Post by **Hehulk** » March 21st, 2007, 17:42

Miro Mishu wrote:Can the whole benifit of highsec POS (security) be negated by a simple wardec from a determined opponent?

Nope, no dreads in high sec.

centerededgedesign · Post by **centerededgedesign** » March 21st, 2007, 17:42

Miro Mishu wrote:
*EDIT* Can the whole benifit of highsec POS (security) be negated by a simple wardec from a determined opponent?

Sure, because you get 24 hours notice on a war dec, plenty of time to either pull it down or toss guns on it. Also, Dreads can't jump to high sec, nor carriers, no matter if they're at war or not. So the Big POS poppin ships can't come play. A signal dampener makes ships come in close to hit it, and a few guns can take care of them.

I would lend whatever I can of my playtime to assist as well. iirc, 3 labs was a tight fit on a small Caldari tower, but nothing else could fit on it. I nominate the two lab owners as the 'officials' in charge of 'whom gets slots and such, and suggest that the copy slots be used to make the profits to run the POS, with the research slots to be assigned as the lab owners see fit. But to put a POS in low sec, it needs guns, and sensor damps and warp scrams are nice, and maybe a web.... So anybody that messes around shooting it is more likely to get hurt and stay away. On the other hand, low sec allows Dreads to come and play. On a positive note, the Fw4ppers POS never had a shot fired at it for its entire life in Jaymass, so maybe this isn't such a big issue. Fw4ppers has some bits to offer to build one with as well.

Miro Mishu · Post by **Miro Mishu** » March 21st, 2007, 17:59

Ya, i'll wear the dunce cap on this one. I didn't even think about the fact that Cap's couldn't jump into it. I totally spaced it. (bad pun alert). About POS owners, I agree someone has to lead it up but I believe the whole reason any of us are even chiming in is that we all have somthing we would like to get out of the POS. "As he sees fit" was probably just a figure a speech but i'm sure we can work out a schedule/plan etc to benefit everyone. I know people will be more apt to help keep it up if they can see an appreciable benifit at the same time

Fear · Post by **Fear** » March 21st, 2007, 18:01

As I understand it, even with a war dec against your corp concord protects POSs.

Hehulk · Post by **Hehulk** » March 21st, 2007, 18:02

That use to be the case, but it was a bug which afaik has now been fixed.