5punkorp Cap Fleet Discussion

Miro Mishu · Post by **Miro Mishu** » February 26th, 2007, 17:02

mmm 5punk dread fleet. 34days and 18hrs... and counting.

traveyb · Post by **traveyb** » February 26th, 2007, 17:24

Hmm technically give me until friday...but carrier is more important

Bah we lost another carrier today (Steelsky nooo)
In his words: "the coolest friggin fight I have had YET!! camilo says i tanked em for close to 24 minutes.. I tanked a IAC fleet and it was great giving back as best as i could.. but since i couldn't warp scramble em they could warp off in structure.. on a cool note they were so impressed they let me keep my pod

but all in all AWSOME fight.. made me feel better..(been sick)"

So he seems happy

But yet again, we loose sov in 5 days >.<

Miro Mishu · Post by **Miro Mishu** » February 26th, 2007, 17:47

Well, that raises a question..

What do we need more of..Carriers or DN's?

I was gonna do DN cause:

A) It's a quicker train
B) Can haul BS's (cause i have mats for 4 cargo rigs)
C) POS siege'able (altho its gonna take me some time to get the skills for that..hauling > sieging)

Carriers tho are..

A) Cheaper (by about 800mil)
B) fly further

So.. thoughts?

eRabbit · Post by **eRabbit** » February 26th, 2007, 17:58

By the time skills and the things are fitted, Carriers and Dreads work out roughly the same cost wise. But... but... cargo rigs on a dread seems so totally wrong

Yea you can haul a BS, but one of the most powerful offensive ships in the game becomes a hauler

Your ISK though, and ISS needs dreads, 5punk probably could make more use of a carrier, your call

With you and Jimmy in carriers I shall have a spare dictor at my call anywhere in EvE! Plus... we could... like... have 3 carriers jump onto people when our Recon Cruisers drop a cyno

traveyb · Post by **traveyb** » February 26th, 2007, 18:17

Miro Mishu wrote:Well, that raises a question..

What do we need more of..Carriers or DN's?

I was gonna do DN cause:

A) It's a quicker train
B) Can haul BS's (cause i have mats for 4 cargo rigs)
C) POS siege'able (altho its gonna take me some time to get the skills for that..hauling > sieging)

Carriers tho are..

A) Cheaper (by about 800mil)
B) fly further

So.. thoughts?

Pfft if you ever put cargo rigs in a dread I will pod you myself :-) You can easily haul a BS with x amount of t2 cargo expanders.

eRabbit · Post by **eRabbit** » February 26th, 2007, 18:19

traveyb wrote:
Pfft if you ever put cargo rigs in a dread I will pod you myself :-) You can easily haul a BS with x amount of t2 cargo expanders.

Psssst, you need cargo rigs to haul a BS I think

Miro Mishu · Post by **Miro Mishu** » February 26th, 2007, 18:24

With a Moros, you get about 45k with t2 expanders... just shy..

traveyb · Post by **traveyb** » February 26th, 2007, 18:26

ahh i could haul a BS in my revelation on the test server

eRabbit · Post by **eRabbit** » February 26th, 2007, 18:28

Which proves, Amarr = crap for combat. ZING.

Miro Mishu · Post by **Miro Mishu** » February 26th, 2007, 18:42

I was thinking DN cause the ability to jump BS's is awesome as prices are insane in 0.0 and being able to eek out 10-20mil more in profit is awesome considering it'll only cost 5mil or so in fuel.

w/o rigs, the DN still hauls alot.. and it can siege which is.. awesome.

Now here's a question: Now that more of us are getting close to capital pilot status, is the corp going to, or planning to, setup a "corp capital fund" or anything? I mean, i'm gonna get the cap ship either way but it would rock if the corp would help chip in.. (and easier on my pocketbook)Not trying to sound greedy or nuthin' but i'm getting the ship planning to help make us more mobile as a corp. Hell, I priced the cost of the 'Capital Ship' skill book and that's 350mil alone *bleh*

Anyhow, if this isn't the thread for it that's cool, but i'd love to discuss it.

Thanks!

traveyb · Post by **traveyb** » February 26th, 2007, 18:57

eRabbit wrote:Which proves, Amarr = crap for combat. ZING.

pfft thats why the archon can tank the most out of all the carriers ;-)

Dolly Parton · Post by **Dolly Parton** » February 26th, 2007, 18:59

sure i'll help for you DN you going to help me for my 4 Cererbus (1 for each race) cause I am not going capital ship (refuse to go into lag fest).

I got no problems helping out by getting mins and such for fighters or some crazy big DN gun but for a ship I would vote no. Now if corp gets into capital ship production than that is a totally different question then. Be for warned tho if we do that better start putting in mineral buy orders now and love to mine cause thats basically all we're gonna do till we get more members.

ps

cargo rigs on DN how awful

DP

Anhamgrimmar · Post by **Anhamgrimmar** » February 26th, 2007, 19:09

Dolly Parton wrote:sure i'll help for you DN you going to help me for my 4 Cererbus (1 for each race) cause I am not going capital ship (refuse to go into lag fest).

I got no problems helping out by getting mins and such for fighters or some crazy big DN gun but for a ship I would vote no. Now if corp gets into capital ship production than that is a totally different question then. Be for warned tho if we do that better start putting in mineral buy orders now and love to mine cause thats basically all we're gonna do till we get more members.

ps

cargo rigs on DN how awful

DP

Erm, Theres only one race of Cerberus, and thats caldari.....

As for the whole cargo rigs on a dread thing, at some point we'll all be swimming in rig components, and will be able to trash them as often as we like...........yeah......maybee some time 2010 or sommat

Anywho, BS 5 when i come back, so i'll see you all in a few months. please make sure i've still got a korp to come back to

amblin · Post by **amblin** » February 26th, 2007, 20:00

Miro Mishu · Post by **Miro Mishu** » February 26th, 2007, 20:46

I only mentioned possible contributions Dolly because the ship would almost exclusivly be used for corp-only purposes. I wouldn't take the ship out for a spin when I feel like pvp'ing nor would I use it ratting etc. (like other pvp ships).

It would be used for hauling and POS siege, that's it.

Also, it takes a ton more ca$h and time to train for capitals then HACs *wink*

-Miro

eRabbit · Post by **eRabbit** » February 26th, 2007, 20:47

Dreads also have the added aspect of MASSIVE GUNS THAT SHOOT BIG DAMAGE!!!!!

Dolly Parton · Post by **Dolly Parton** » February 26th, 2007, 20:56

Anhamgrimmar wrote:
Erm, Theres only one race of Cerberus, and thats caldari.....

i knew after typing that I should have clarified. Each race i.e. running missions for amarr navy, federation navy, caladari navy and minitar navy. 1 HAC at each mission hub. traveling from one hub to another with tank fittings and ammo is a chore. So 4 cererbus and thats about the same price as a capital ship 1 bil about.

Dolly Parton · Post by **Dolly Parton** » February 26th, 2007, 21:26

Miro Mishu wrote:I only mentioned possible contributions Dolly because the ship would almost exclusivly be used for corp-only purposes. I wouldn't take the ship out for a spin when I feel like pvp'ing nor would I use it ratting etc. (like other pvp ships).

It would be used for hauling and POS siege, that's it.

Also, it takes a ton more ca$h and time to train for capitals then HACs *wink*

-Miro

Miro I understand where you're saying I think and I apologize if I misinterpreted it. The way I see it is like this:

A) The DN or Carrier is used for 100% corp only. That means no fleet ops with it unless its in defense of OUR pos. not alliance defense of POS, CORP defense only.

B) The DN or Carrier assists in Corp activities. Defends corp POS no exceptions. Can help with alliance defense if pilot wishes.

C) The DN or Carrier pilot does what ever they want.

I am fine with funding a corp DN or carrier for A but not B or C. B and C en tale player risking the ship in combat for personal pilot wishes and putting corp assets at risk.

All in all this idea needs to be thought out more and needs to reflect benefits for all and just getting a can or ship hauled is not benefit enough for a non capital ship pilot to help fund. I am open to ideas and willing to change but there is something about your idea that doesn't go over to well with me. There is a fairness to everyone in corp that is lacking.

DP

eRabbit · Post by **eRabbit** » February 26th, 2007, 21:32

If the corp helps provide for a capital shouldn't it be used in alliance ops? Seen as, the corp is part of the alliance etc etc.

Miro Mishu · Post by **Miro Mishu** » February 26th, 2007, 21:33

I understand your concern Dolly, but isn't our current capital ship in the "B" catagory? What would make this any different (other then ISSN giving the carrier to us to start with)?

Capital ships are investments, plain and simple. You can't look at it as taking a fleet fitted BS out for a spin. There is very little use to a single pilot for a capital ship (Motherships perhaps being an exception). Now i'm not saying i'm worthy of having a corp funded or a corp contributed capital ship, i'm just saying that funding a ship that would be used almost exclusivly for corp activities out of my own pocket is awfully altruistic and.. somewhat silly.

Now, I *want* to get a ship to help the corp. And if nothing else comes out of this discussion, I will get the ship because I want to. (Just like the 2bil of BPO's that I invested in as well as the 1.2bil i've put into the Raven BPO).