Option 1: Tenerifis

friznit · Post by **friznit** » January 10th, 2007, 10:46

Option 1: Stay in ISS But Move to Tenerifis

I've always been nervous about Tenerifis because of the high fees, but it does offer a good short term solution: high end ores and good rats, populated with good, well-organised corps to help with defence, and it's a known quantity. We'd get 3 belts reserved for us (effectively guaranteeing income) but it would require a significant change in the way we do business as a corp. Basically, we'd have to charge everyone 15 mill per week (alts included). Anyone who didn't pay their way would be invited to join Fw4ppers or I'm sure Moarty would welcome them. We'd probably drop the tax rate to zero again. Obviously the ROE would stay the same (NBSI) but there's hardly a shortage of targets at the moment. The miners would really come into their own again and it would be a true return to the 5punky drunky mining ops. We'd also be able to build a shit load of stuff with all that ore. I envisage one large POS with manufacturing arrays of all different kinds.

EDIT: I should add that on recent estimates, ISS corps in the area have mined approx 800 billion isk worth of minerals since the contract started.

friznit · Post by **friznit** » January 10th, 2007, 10:49

Details of the Contract can be found on the Tenerifis section of the ISS forum here. There is now a second refining station a little further out in KW- which is less crowded than Calico. This is the one I'd like to check out in detail (I can do that with my ISSN toon who has free access).

friznit · Post by **friznit** » January 10th, 2007, 10:53

I asked James Lyrus (the Regional Coordinator for the Tenerifis area) a few preliminary questions. Note the bit about a rent free moving in period. That's offered as a freebie to us exclusively because of our status in the Alliance, so don't tell anyone!

James wrote:Well, there's the contract on the Tenerifis forums, but the basics are:

15mil per person per week.

You get '1 belt per 10 rounded down' as a starting allocation, to essentially guarantee the income.

Calico's a bit more defensible, but since it was the first, is also more populated.

15mil per person per week sounds a lot, I know, but ... well, when you're getting multiple 1mil+ BS when ratting showing up fairly reliably, and arkonor available, it's really not a huge amount. (I seem to recall that's about half an hour in a covetor, although that may have changed with the recent slump in mineral prices)

Now, given the current situation, and whilst I'm not actually supposed to do this, I'm prepared to do a 'moving in' period, which is effectively rent-free. The fees work sunday to sunday, and we really prefer not to have to chase people over them. After all, they go to LV, and .... well, lets just say it's not a good thing to end up on their bad side.

Refinery tax is 10%.

We've space - we've only had one corp join us since Serenity opened, so that area's not really all that busy at the moment (although whining is anticipated at the possibilty that people might have to share, the fact remains that everyone gets their own belts that they _don't_ have to share).

I'm afraid offices in the region are all taken though.

By it's nature, we've ended up with some of the more organised and effective corps in ISS. This does us no harm at all with the security situation - Tenerifis is the place where ISSN go when 'off duty'.

Fear · Post by **Fear** » January 10th, 2007, 10:55

Quick post hijack.

Moarty has 50 mil ISK bill per week, which is split between active members. Moarty too would expect some isk. However piracy definitely does pay.

I voted no. Partly I wanna stick with privateers a bit longer, but perhaps more important to me is that it would mean rejoining ISS - not really wanting to do that.

I'm certainly not paying to mine.

Edit: For spacky writing.

Post by **fabyak** » January 10th, 2007, 10:56

I would go with yes, even with my limited playing time, im sure I could easily get 15m a week there once I get a raven back, then once I do that, a Hulk!

amblin · Post by **amblin** » January 10th, 2007, 11:06

Post by **fabyak** » January 10th, 2007, 11:23

^what Fea said

While im happy to pay for myself, I doubt I can afford to bankrole others. Also think the tax should stay, but obviously have it at a level to keep the corp growing without too much backbreaking

friznit · Post by **friznit** » January 10th, 2007, 11:31

Not forgetting that with the amount of minerals we mine, plus buy orders, we can churn out ravens and rokhs, both popular ships (the first for ratting and small gangs, the second for fleetwork).

Jin · Post by **Jin** » January 10th, 2007, 11:35

Just a quick question.

Are the reserved belts only reserved for mining or are they reserved for ratting too? Will we have access to more than three belts for ratting?

This may be a stupid question but I wanted to make sure before voting.

bomberesque · Post by **bomberesque** » January 10th, 2007, 11:37

amblin wrote:5punkorp wouldn't be at the centre, this 5punk forum would be.

That fills a nice gap in my main (although as yet unstated) objection to Dres' idea. We are a community and for me it's pointless if we're not.

anyhoo, I voted Werd. Not coz I understand what it means but because I'd be willing to go with Tenerifis but I'm not entirely convinced and am hiolding out fro option n. I think it's a workable idea and it would make a good base of operations (isk wise anyway .. where is it in relation to catch / empire?) ... *unless* it becomes hostile and we get lumped paying butt loads per week for access to belts that are full of nasties. Imagine if we were asked to pay even 5 mill per week in Catch atm, that would be far too much like work for me.

amblin · Post by **amblin** » January 10th, 2007, 11:53

Lee · Post by **Lee** » January 10th, 2007, 11:57

I'm with bomber on this, I'd like to know the other options first. It seems like it may be a good idea but it could alienate alot of 5punkorp. Also, if we're stuck with just 3 belts for ratting then that would cause alot of problems and ratters would probably end up making less than they do in catch.

If this isnt the case could you find info on rat types and how hard they are to tank? Would dual reppers/xl shield boosters be required?

Edit: nvm, fea just answered my first concern. My question on rat types and tanking still stands.

eRabbit · Post by **eRabbit** » January 10th, 2007, 12:19

Lee wrote:Also, if we're stuck with just 3 belts for ratting then that would cause alot of problems and ratters would probably end up making less than they do in catch.

3 belts for mining within the outpost system I believe it is? May be wrong though, ratting wise I presume you can just fly a few systems away and rat to your heart's content.

I voted yes, Catch sucks, ISS love us and Tenerifis makes people rich.

friznit · Post by **friznit** » January 10th, 2007, 12:22

They're angels. I've been trying it out with Rydis in a T1 fitted tempest (shield tanked). They're quite tough but then he only has 7mill SP's. narf, your tank wouldn't have to be anybigger than fighting Sanshas. And there's a system with something like 22 belts near KW- that is full of fat rats (triple 1.25mill were common). Albeit it's on a pipe, but I was sat there ss for half a day and only saw UNL come through (they're blue). It's generally alot quieter than what we're used to around KDF/ZX although AAA space isn't so very far away if you want to go raiding - that's where I go if I want targets, never fails

As for other options, nothing good at the moment. The big alliance aren't that interested in a small (sub 100) corp with only one or two cap ships pilots although some do offer corp mergers (I'm not keen to lose the 5punkorp name though). The closest we've had to an offer is UCC who are in the middle of Immensea

In the short term I think this is a really good idea if we can keep up with the payments. ISS is in talks with other alliances for similar agreements to the one with LV which might open up some very attractive opportunities in the near future (possibly including the new regions).

eRabbit · Post by **eRabbit** » January 10th, 2007, 12:39

Angels aren't all that hard once you find the right ship/setup, I ratted Angels in a passive tanked ferox in 0.0 and granted took ages to kill them but my tank was easy to maintain. Caldari ships, Raven in particular, tends to be the best to rat them but I've seen people rat in Gallente ships or even Amarr. I believe Pass used to rat Angels in his geddon even though they tank lasers rather well.

bomberesque · Post by **bomberesque** » January 10th, 2007, 12:43

Friznit wrote:...stuff... your tank wouldn't have to be anybigger than fighting Sanshas ...stuff.... As for other options, nothing good at the moment ... stuff ...

I change my vote to yes, in that case

I'm a little concerned about the exclusivity of access, given Dres' idea (TM) breeding some resentment but that could eb solved by oferring everyone toon-5punkorp membership, so long as they pay their fees.

Anyhoo. Yes

Post by **fabyak** » January 10th, 2007, 12:59

What kind of damage are Angels vulnerable to?

centerededgedesign · Post by **centerededgedesign** » January 10th, 2007, 13:01

I voted yes as well, even though I'd have to swap Dres for Dor, as Dor can't pilot anything worth mining in. If somebody could tell me the ore types we'd be facing, so I can train/buy some T2 crystals, I'd really appreciate it!

Jin · Post by **Jin** » January 10th, 2007, 13:15

I've voted yes on the basis that a change will perk up my interest in the game which has waned a little mainly due to the IAC kerfuffle. I like the idea of more profitable ratting and mining and with the potential for a little pew pew nearby this seems like a bit of an opportunity.

The free bedding-in period would give us all a chance to suss the place out and see if we like it or not and if we don't, well... plan B (whatever it is).

I'm a polar bear now - grrr

Post by **FatherJack** » January 10th, 2007, 13:19

fabyak wrote:What kind of damage are Angels vulnerable to?

Angel:
Inflicts:All types, although mostly kinetic and explosive.
and this thingy http://eve.grismar.net/rats/index.php has some stuff about resistances but I don't really understand it because I suck at this game and can't afford a million ISK a second to pay to stay in the corp with my mates.

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