Your Playing Priorities

friznit · Post by **friznit** » January 9th, 2007, 16:47

We've been looking at new areas and possibilities for some time and so far nothing has leapt out and smacked us in the face. Basically though, what we want boils down to:

Low True Sec (-0.7) which gives good ores and good rats

Relatively peaceful or easily defended, i.e. not on the front line or a pipe

Proximity to empire or at least a refinery and factory

Relaxed Rules of Engagement (NBSI)

It's unlikely we'll be able to walk into an area with all of these, since everyone else will be there already and even if we do find somewhere, chances are we'll have to pay a fee of some kind. So, which of these do you see as the priority for you? Is isk making and self-sufficient industry more important than being able to shoot noobs in haulers? Or do you want to go wild and kill everything in sight and don't care about mining?

There's some options opening up in ISS in the near future that look interesting. But I'm not so dedicated to the alliance that if we find something better elsewhere we can't move, even if it means going as an independent corp.

Lee · Post by **Lee** » January 9th, 2007, 16:51

I obviously went for the NBSI option

However a quiet and easy to defend system with good rats would be nice aswell.

eRabbit · Post by **eRabbit** » January 9th, 2007, 17:02

I did NBSI, but good rats doesn't hurt, another factor that would be nice is quite deep 0.0, away from lame npc station hugging "pirates".

amblin · Post by **amblin** » January 9th, 2007, 17:03

Fear · Post by **Fear** » January 9th, 2007, 17:06

The option I would like to see is perhaps some manageable military goal. Maybe an area where we are always skirmishing with a corporation that can't just out-blob us, has similar numbers and fighting ability, etc.

If I can't have that option then NBSI would get my vote.

I'm not really interested in Alliances. You are too much a small fish in one. I would like to have a little more control over my destiny, etc.

Dolly Parton · Post by **Dolly Parton** » January 9th, 2007, 17:53

I went for better rats and roids, and if we move the NBSI will be there so I didn't vote for that. All be it I have pawned 3 neutrals in ISS in old corp so never really followed ISS rule for that anyways. (never got any crap for it either from anyone in ISS) I am for any kind of Rats as long as my Caladari and Amarr ships (either one) will not have trouble. Angel ships I already know is no good for my amarrian ships. Right now though with a -.36 (W9 i think) I make more isk running lvl 4 missions than ratting or mining.

I would rather not be a pirate with Dolly. Merc yeah but not pirate so deep into 0.0 away from NPC is good too. We stay close to an NPC station sweet, been wanting to run missions for one of them anyways - not blood or sanasha though cause even diplomacy 5, fast talk 5 will not help me. In short they hate me. HOLD UP! Low Security COSMOS (Amarr) would be really really nice. I've heard good things about them and good exploration. I am getting into that so hopefully I'll be able to find some good spots where ever we go. 2 weeks and I should have my exploration skills then back to T2 med guns.

POS chain I would lose - 2 fine but anymore than that is too much work I think. I don't run that aspect of it so I can't really say no to it. We go deep deep 0.0 and get some good roids we might want to look into ship production arrays. Just an idea unless theres an outpost near by. Is 5punk going to stay in moon mining?

Oh and give me someone that has a beef with privateers. They're fags and I enjoy getting gang jumped by them in empire. 4 to 1 are always good odds.

Honestly I would like to battle AAA still. To me they have always shown honor. They'll fight 1 on 1, they've never talked trash in local to me, and if you do fight 1 on 1 the others will stay out of it. This might not be true for all but for me its been that way always. Still owe Kenichi cruise missle up the butt.

I agree with Fear - give me fights without blob tactics and I'll be happy.

dp

bomberesque · Post by **bomberesque** » January 9th, 2007, 18:07

I voted NBSI, although I really just mean targets. Which we have atm so I'm happy (even if Bubble is not

). It's true that blob fleets are a little tiresome. fight teh lag!!!

Ratting would be nice, it's really the only way I earn isk, although if DP makes as much isk running l4s as can be made ratting w9 (10 M/hour + loot conservative estimate, I know some do better than that) then I have just found my income stream if we were ever to be pushed back to emp.

friznit · Post by **friznit** » January 9th, 2007, 18:19

I've gone with Truesec. Level 4 missions get tedious very quickly and I've never made as much as when I'm out ratting, even in W9 where the rats are pretty mediocre - and I jump clone to my mission location anyway. Sure, I'd love NBSI too but narf I've never had any difficulty finding targets around here. All the people I would shoot are either red already or NAP'd - which I'd get whichever alliance I was in. I rarely see any neutrals that I'd want to shoot and so have not really had much of an issue with the ROE that others seem to have. Also, a relatively easy to defend system or constellation would be nice so we can mine in relative peace. If we didn't have a factory/refining outpost nearby I'd want a POS or two with all the toys on it so we can be self sufficient - building what we need to play with. I'd only moon mine if it was convenient, but I'm not running a POS chain again. Would need an outpost of some kind for jump clones and bpo researching. That's pretty much it.

Dolly Parton · Post by **Dolly Parton** » January 9th, 2007, 18:29

bomberesque wrote:I voted NBSI, although I really just mean targets. Which we have atm so I'm happy (even if Bubble is not ). It's true that blob fleets are a little tiresome. fight teh lag!!!

Ratting would be nice, it's really the only way I earn isk, although if DP makes as much isk running l4s as can be made ratting w9 (10 M/hour + loot conservative estimate, I know some do better than that) then I have just found my income stream if we were ever to be pushed back to emp.

ratting you consistently getting the same rats about. my lvl 4 qty 18-20 agent, with connections, social, negotiations at 5 I get mission reward/bonus on average between 2-5mil, mission bounties 5-22mil, plus the LP (1k to 9k LP per mission), plus loot and wrecks if you want to collect them. Loot and wrecks I have an old corp mate collect if he wants and he gives me free rigs so it works out well I think and pass brings his alt along every now and then. so on average i can go from 9-24 mil in 1 hour depending on the mission, how i got about completing it and how fast its done. I will admit though that it has taken me a while to get the standings 9.92 with Amarr Empire running lots and lots of missions and running cosmos missions as well. this is a situation for me where it will take others at least 3 months of steady running missions and training the right skills. LP is my main goal though - Amarr Navy Apoc FTW - 386k LP now 120k more to go minimum.

Jin · Post by **Jin** » January 9th, 2007, 22:45

I've gone with True Sec; mainly because I make my ISK from ratting and high-end ores would be a good source of both personal and corp wealth. That said, spending all my time ratting would become very tiresome, very quickly so PVP potential would be make me happy too (provides a spending outlet for all that ISK). Like others above, I prefer the meaty goodness of PVP in smaller groups, rather than the lag-fest monster blobs of fleet battles.

Defintely no more multi-POS action.

Post by **FatherJack** » January 9th, 2007, 22:55

I understand the first three options.

And the last one.

Wiggy · Post by **Wiggy** » January 9th, 2007, 23:34

All I play for now is to have fun, whatever makes me chuckle, I'll do.

centerededgedesign · Post by **centerededgedesign** » January 10th, 2007, 0:52

Being the Fw4ppers leader, I went with Close to Empire. We won't grow our numbers as much out in True Low sec, and my play style fits with Empire well atm. Maybe when I get to HAC's I'll look for more ratting in 0.0 and such.

Miro Mishu · Post by **Miro Mishu** » January 10th, 2007, 1:20

Went for true sec however NBSI is a hell of alot easier then NRDS.

friznit · Post by **friznit** » January 10th, 2007, 8:33

FatherJack wrote:I understand the first three options.

And the last one.

True Sec: 0.0 isn't just 0.0 It goes from -0.1 to -1.0 with incrementally better ores and tougher rats. In the lowest sec systems you'll find triple 1.7mill spawns or more and the best ores in game. W9-DID is about -0.3

Rules of Engagement: ISS is fairly unique in that we operate a strict Not Red Don't Shoot (NRDS) which means if Manglement hasn't actively set them to -10 we can't target them until they target us first. Most Alliances operate on a Not Blue Shoot It (NBSI) which is basically the opposite - you can shoot them unless they've been set to positive standings. NRDS is more challenging cos you can't gank neutral haulers at gate camps.

Post by **FatherJack** » January 10th, 2007, 11:30

friznit wrote:True Sec: 0.0 isn't just 0.0 It goes from -0.1 to -1.0 with incrementally better ores and tougher rats. In the lowest sec systems you'll find triple 1.7mill spawns or more and the best ores in game. W9-DID is about -0.3

Rules of Engagement: ISS is fairly unique in that we operate a strict Not Red Don't Shoot (NRDS) which means if Manglement hasn't actively set them to -10 we can't target them until they target us first. Most Alliances operate on a Not Blue Shoot It (NBSI) which is basically the opposite - you can shoot them unless they've been set to positive standings. NRDS is more challenging cos you can't gank neutral haulers at gate camps.

Cheers, that explains them nicely.

I don't know if I'll ever be confident enough to attack real people, but I was playing around at stealth bumming last night and was able to take down a couple of rats without them getting a lock on me. I could probably mildly irritate someone.

friznit · Post by **friznit** » January 10th, 2007, 11:40

Attacking real people is all about not caring if you lose your ship. That's why I have a fair degree of success when I go suicidal

After all, what's the point of having the bestest shiniest T2 fitted doom machine if you're not willing to take it into the fight?

1 on 1 PvP vs someone you know to be roughly the same size and capability is a total pipe dream and not much of a challenge imo, nor is ganking haulers or noobs in empire. Being creative with your fits, fleet and tactics to beat a superior horse is simply outstanding fun. narf I fail to see the issue that people have with PvP in ISS - it's the most challenging you'll ever get and I've hardly ever failed to find targets when I go looking for them.

bomberesque · Post by **bomberesque** » January 10th, 2007, 11:45

friznit wrote:narf I fail to see the issue that people have with PvP in ISS.

fear of failure, if I'm honest

I'm finding that actually failing a couple of times, while fighting rather than getting hauler ganked, is helping me work through this obviously psychotic problem i have with not wanting to be smakked in local after losing a fight.

Lee · Post by **Lee** » January 10th, 2007, 12:08

bomberesque wrote:
fear of failure, if I'm honest

I'm finding that actually failing a couple of times, while fighting rather than getting hauler ganked, is helping me work through this obviously psychotic problem i have with not wanting to be smakked in local after losing a fight.

I just die with dignity, say gf in local whether you win or lose and they'll probably be friendly about it, if not just ignore them.

Post by **fabyak** » January 10th, 2007, 12:11

one sure fire way to avoid smak... get podded!

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