mesh computers

The Incredible... · Post by **The Incredible...** » January 22nd, 2008, 23:08

i'm thinking i might have to get a new computer. a friend of mine has recently ordered one from www.meshcomputers.com the deals look pretty good, and they claim to have won lots of awards, but i'm not sure how much i trust them.

has anyone used them at all before, or know anyone that has?

also, my mate took out their finance program, which is pay a deposit now and the remainder interest free in 9 months but i'm a little cautious about that too, anyone got any experience with finance from mesh?

Post by **HereComesPete** » January 22nd, 2008, 23:17

As far as pre-built stuff goes, mesh are quite good, they allow you to tinker, charge slightly inflated but realistic prices for upgradez, and don't use weird proprietary parts from what I've heard. But you really should consider building it yourself, it's a piece of piss, you'll still have warranties on the parts and you'll get a sense of satisfaction knowing you built a bloody good rig with your own fair hands. How many beer geek tokens you got to splash?

cheeseandham · Post by **cheeseandham** » January 22nd, 2008, 23:19

Not a fan, we had one customer who has only Mesh machines and they've always had problems.
But this is in a business setting, maybe they were designed to be games machines.
The main thing that irked me was that every single one of them blue screened when they upgraded to XP SP2.

Fear · Post by **Fear** » January 22nd, 2008, 23:29

Thanks Microsoft. I don't understand though. I don't mind if you put disclaimers stating that this fix might stain your washing blue or kill your puppies and that it wasn't Microsoft's fault in the first place that some 13 year installed your PC while playing with his whatevers... But for the love of all things holy, why remove a potential solution that may help people bring their systems back online??

Seems you've pleased a lot of people with that fix - nice one.

Post by **HereComesPete** » January 22nd, 2008, 23:29

As for the finance side of it, they've added a little sweetener to each and every parts market price, but the finance will still net them a lot more money. their apr on buy now pay later deals is 29.8%, that's high. Their classic finance deal looks better, but your still better with getting nothing until you can afford it outright, because if your that tight for money, then the extra you pay could have been games or another hdd. Save finance for middle age and cars and mortgages and shit like that.

The Incredible... · Post by **The Incredible...** » January 22nd, 2008, 23:34

HereComesPete wrote:As far as pre-built stuff goes, mesh are quite good, they allow you to tinker, charge slightly inflated but realistic prices for upgradez, and don't use weird proprietary parts from what I've heard. But you really should consider building it yourself, it's a piece of piss, you'll still have warranties on the parts and you'll get a sense of satisfaction knowing you built a bloody good rig with your own fair hands. How many beer geek tokens you got to splash?

i know, thats what i'd rather do, but given that i've had what appears to be 3 faulty hard disks in 2 weeks, my luck suggests i would have at least one faulty component, which just means more time fucking around.

i'm not exactly sure how much money i can rustle up, but possibly around £1000

what i want rougly is
antec 900 case
probably 600w psu
Q6600 cpu
4gb ram, or maybe just 2 for now to save money
8800gt gfx card
a smallish hdd for windows, maybe about 250
a larger hard drive for porn/ilegally copied or downloaded tv and movies to ad to the one i already have (which is nearly full)

not sure about mobo exactly

already got a working DVD writer and monitor

not sure what i'm missing but feels like something

The Incredible... · Post by **The Incredible...** » January 22nd, 2008, 23:38

HereComesPete wrote:As for the finance side of it, they've added a little sweetener to each and every parts market price, but the finance will still net them a lot more money. their apr on buy now pay later deals is 29.8%, that's high. Their classic finance deal looks better, but your still better with getting nothing until you can afford it outright, because if your that tight for money, then the extra you pay could have been games or another hdd. Save finance for middle age and cars and mortgages and shit like that.

the thing is their deal is that if you pay the full amount in 9 months time there is no interest

spoodie · Post by **spoodie** » January 22nd, 2008, 23:39

Mesh are still going, wow. They were around when I was looking at getting my first PC, when Pentiums were first appearing.

Post by **HereComesPete** » January 22nd, 2008, 23:43

More than enough! Bin what you got (except the pr0n, obviously) and head over to the budget machine thread. An OS, Hangy offy bits and maybe a sound card is all I can think of. You wouldn't need 4Gb of ram unless you get a 64 flavour OS. I always shit myself when pressing the go button on a new pc, but the relief/rush when the fucker sparks up and posts is another reason why self built is great.

The Incredible... · Post by **The Incredible...** » January 22nd, 2008, 23:58

HereComesPete wrote:More than enough! Bin what you got (except the pr0n, obviously) and head over to the budget machine thread. An OS, Hangy offy bits and maybe a sound card is all I can think of. You wouldn't need 4Gb of ram unless you get a 64 flavour OS. I always shit myself when pressing the go button on a new pc, but the relief/rush when the fucker sparks up and posts is another reason why self built is great.

i was thinking of possibly going for 64 flavour Fista. i don't think i need any hangy offy bits or a soundcard, onboard sound is fine by me.

if i do decide to go through with it would ebuyer or overclockers be the most sensible place to buy? is there anywhere more reliable or cheaper?

buzzmong · Post by **buzzmong** » January 23rd, 2008, 0:01

HereComesPete wrote:More than enough! Bin what you got (except the pr0n, obviously) and head over to the budget machine thread. An OS, Hangy offy bits and maybe a sound card is all I can think of. You wouldn't need 4Gb of ram unless you get a 64 flavour OS. I always shit myself when pressing the go button on a new pc, but the relief/rush when the fucker sparks up and posts is another reason why self built is great.

Pete has a point, and a valid cost that needs to be added to the Budget Machine Thread of Joy totals:

A small £5 suppliment for a new set of boxers on every build.

And a futher £5 for a rubber car mat from Halfords (failing that and the cost spirals into the £100's for new carpet).

Post by **Dr. kitteny berk** » January 23rd, 2008, 0:08

HereComesPete wrote:head over to the budget machine thread. An OS, Hangy offy bits and maybe a sound card is all I can think of. You wouldn't need 4Gb of ram unless you get a 64 flavour OS.

All of that.

The budget machine thread stuff is all pretty much certain to work together, and is all decent hardware, so not likely to be DOA.

The Incredible... · Post by **The Incredible...** » January 23rd, 2008, 0:13

cool

i will consider doing it soon i think

i get paid on friday, however my pay is going to be a little light this month, as i had 4 days off sick and i'm still on probation at work so i don't get any sick pay

Post by **FatherJack** » January 23rd, 2008, 0:25

I'm spending a year with 32-bit Fista to get used to it, dual-booting with XP, but have only recently trialled 64-bit Fista in a test gaming environment.

Nearly 10 months into my experiment, I find I very rarely boot XP any more, so figure if there's anything I can't do in Fista - I won't miss it if I haven't done it for a year, so it's almost time to replace the XP partition with Fista 64.

It's a much bigger jump, though - and I have the safety net of a bootable 32-bit OS plus a couple of other machines around the house to run XP-only apps, plus a PC which overcompensates for the performance drop of such a weightier OS.

I'll be happier about the switch when Fista SP1 is officially rolled out, and certified drivers for that appear, as currently I have to be very careful about my driver revisions, often grabbing the latest patches can be catastrophic - from a gamer's perspective, it's still an OS suited to someone happy with tinkering with system settings. The 64-bit element brings a whole new world of hurt, as even though half the stuff runs in 32-bit compatibility mode, it's the drivers you need to get just right.

Basically, it's kind of find something that works and don't fuck with it, whereas with XP I generally got away with installing every beta release of the drivers that I could find.

buzzmong · Post by **buzzmong** » January 23rd, 2008, 0:49

FatherJack wrote:I'm spending a year with 32-bit Fista to get used to it, dual-booting with XP, but have only recently trialled 64-bit Fista in a test gaming environment.

Nearly 10 months into my experiment, I find I very rarely boot XP any more, so figure if there's anything I can't do in Fista - I won't miss it if I haven't done it for a year, so it's almost time to replace the XP partition with Fista 64.

It's a much bigger jump, though - and I have the safety net of a bootable 32-bit OS plus a couple of other machines around the house to run XP-only apps, plus a PC which overcompensates for the performance drop of such a weightier OS.

I'll be happier about the switch when Fista SP1 is officially rolled out, and certified drivers for that appear, as currently I have to be very careful about my driver revisions, often grabbing the latest patches can be catastrophic - from a gamer's perspective, it's still an OS suited to someone happy with tinkering with system settings. The 64-bit element brings a whole new world of hurt, as even though half the stuff runs in 32-bit compatibility mode, it's the drivers you need to get just right.

Basically, it's kind of find something that works and don't fuck with it, whereas with XP I generally got away with installing every beta release of the drivers that I could find.

That is however kind of counter productive to the whole "Fista is better, Fista is easier" speel if you have to fettle it to get it working correctly.

And so much for MS's speeches of "MOAR Compability".

Post by **FatherJack** » January 23rd, 2008, 1:27

buzzmong wrote:That is however kind of counter productive to the whole "Fista is better, Fista is easier" spiel if you have to fettle it to get it working correctly.

And so much for MS's speeches of "MOAR Compability".

I tell the truth, based on my own experience. Microsoft want you to purchase their new operating system.

"Better" is subjective, as is "Easier", but:

"Easier to use" is (I'd imagine) most likely based on numerous trials on people who have never used a previous version of Windows. "Intuitive" is another word they like to bandy, but I know of many people who couldn't find the menus in Office 12 because you had to click the Fista-style Windows Orb to get them. "Duh! So easy now you've showed me" they say. Hardly intuitive.
"Easier on average at fixing things we anticipated might be problem like renewing IP addresses and the like" - that would be true.
"Easier to fix if something goes wrong that's not automatically fixed by a wizard or on-screen prompts" - well, that would be a lie.

buzzmong · Post by **buzzmong** » January 23rd, 2008, 2:14

Gawd, Office 12.

I came across it in October at uni for the first time, I was lost rather completely.

That Orb makes no sense.

The Incredible... · Post by **The Incredible...** » January 23rd, 2008, 9:10

i don't like the sound of that :S

i want to be able to do everything i can do on xp

i want to be able t rip dvds using gordian knot and play all the latest games (crysis especially, and spore when that FINALLY comes out)

other than that though i suppose its really just itunes, firefox, msn, and being able to watch my divx avis

can i do all that in 32 flavour Fista?

The Incredible... · Post by **The Incredible...** » January 23rd, 2008, 9:27

should i get OEM or a standard retail box for Fista? is it going to matter?

also, i'd quite like to have a separate partition for windows, so i don't lose data if i have to ormat or whatever

would it be best to get one large drive and make a partition for windows and one for data or would it be better just to buy a smaller separate disk for windows and have another for my data?

gonna need some help with al this new rig nonsense.

going to the gym now, gonna look at my finanaces when i get back anddecide whether i can do it, robably gonna have to spread it between bank acount and 2 credit cards :S but im sick of not having my computer working propoerly, i want to be able to rip my dvds that i'm paying a subscroption to rent, i want to be able to play wow which i'm paying for and i wan to use the new webcam i bought, so fuck it

Post by **fabyak** » January 23rd, 2008, 9:53

With the OEM you get it cheaper as you don't get the flashy box or anything (at least with other software and things anyway) but other than that the product will be exactly the same