Ok, in another post, I had mentioned a Megathron BPO, provided that it would be one that T2 BS invention would be based upon. However, T2 BS's have been highly anticipated for some time, so the BPO's will be highly sought after when the stats hit the test server. SO, I propose that we buy one now, based on the fact that it's such a popular pvp BS alone, coupled w/ their use as sniper boats.
So, should we go ahead and get one now so it can get in for research?
Mega-size the corp w/ a Megathron BPO?
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Y'know dolly, i was just thinking a similar thing, but i cant change my mind now, because i'd look like an indecisive fool.......
I think it might be more likely that the scorpion/typhoon/domi/apoc would be more likely to get the T2 variant(s), but then again, if we can churn out megas for cheapish, then theres still profit to be made. Unless the new T2BS are that good that they replace the Mega as fleetship par excellence, in which case we'd be doubly funted up the cuck
I think it might be more likely that the scorpion/typhoon/domi/apoc would be more likely to get the T2 variant(s), but then again, if we can churn out megas for cheapish, then theres still profit to be made. Unless the new T2BS are that good that they replace the Mega as fleetship par excellence, in which case we'd be doubly funted up the cuck
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Well, T2 BS's are probably NOT going to be insurable, unless Eve gets another insurance company, which hasn't been mentioned. So T2 ships will be big spendy risks, which is bad in pvp. So I see the Megathron as holding it's throne for some time as the most replaced battleship in game.
Dolly is right though, the discussion for which flavor kinda happened on BUM, but has been tossed around here before as to which BS flavor gets killed more on KB's. Killed more = more repeat sales = more constant demand = more constant price.
If it's decided to go forward w/ a BS BPO, we'll discuss in depth the mechanics of invention, (which will take skills Dolly also pointed out). I've as yet been unable to find info that tags any current BS as definitely getting T2 variant, except that each race is spec'd to get 2 T2 BS's, so the odds are 2/3 for any we buy.
http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=501
Dolly is right though, the discussion for which flavor kinda happened on BUM, but has been tossed around here before as to which BS flavor gets killed more on KB's. Killed more = more repeat sales = more constant demand = more constant price.
If it's decided to go forward w/ a BS BPO, we'll discuss in depth the mechanics of invention, (which will take skills Dolly also pointed out). I've as yet been unable to find info that tags any current BS as definitely getting T2 variant, except that each race is spec'd to get 2 T2 BS's, so the odds are 2/3 for any we buy.
http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=501
I like the idea a lot, but agree with Dolly that we should hold up until it's confirmed that it will be "inventable" to a T2 battleship. It is likely, but trying to second guess CCP can be a tricky thing.
That being said, if the corp wants to go into T2 battleship production, we could start planning and getting the materials together. By November (the planned ship release month) 5Punk R&D should have extremely solid invention skills. The cost will be pretty high, and we'd want as close to 5/5/5 as possible. If I recall correctly (will look into it some more), when they had an invention tab on the battleship BPOs it required 18 datacores of each type - however, ship invention has a 10%-20% success rate and you'd want to use the +9 optional items (different names for each race) rises the BPC runs by +9, and lowers the chance by x 0.4 to optimize the number of runs for the price.
Then we want to consider if we want to sell them, use them, or both.
Lastly - anyone know how long it takes to generate a run on a battleship BPC? We have a couple maxed out research characters, but haven't done battleships - that's something else we'd want to look at, so we can prepare the max run copies for invention (fortunately ME/PE research has no effect on invention success, so we don't have to worry about that)
That being said, if the corp wants to go into T2 battleship production, we could start planning and getting the materials together. By November (the planned ship release month) 5Punk R&D should have extremely solid invention skills. The cost will be pretty high, and we'd want as close to 5/5/5 as possible. If I recall correctly (will look into it some more), when they had an invention tab on the battleship BPOs it required 18 datacores of each type - however, ship invention has a 10%-20% success rate and you'd want to use the +9 optional items (different names for each race) rises the BPC runs by +9, and lowers the chance by x 0.4 to optimize the number of runs for the price.
Then we want to consider if we want to sell them, use them, or both.
Lastly - anyone know how long it takes to generate a run on a battleship BPC? We have a couple maxed out research characters, but haven't done battleships - that's something else we'd want to look at, so we can prepare the max run copies for invention (fortunately ME/PE research has no effect on invention success, so we don't have to worry about that)
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did some further research the black ops and vindicator will be 2 of the ship classes. so in essence hulk is right its going to be tier 1 and 2. megathron is a tier 2 and so is the raven (miro). we can go with the megathron but why not mix it up and go with a tier 1 ship or do both. its a lot of money but it would be more fun since it means 2 ship classes.
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I agree with Friz. One step at a time
Step1 Mega BPO
Step2 Domi BPO
/me runs
Seriously though, I can honestly state that I have lost more megas than any other ship above frigate class and as friz says, it appears on KBs with great regularity (due to being popular of course, nothing pants about it >.> ).
Spear has a mega BPO doesn't he? Not even sure if he's still in game, our paths haven't crossed in a while.
Step1 Mega BPO
Step2 Domi BPO
/me runs
Seriously though, I can honestly state that I have lost more megas than any other ship above frigate class and as friz says, it appears on KBs with great regularity (due to being popular of course, nothing pants about it >.> ).
Spear has a mega BPO doesn't he? Not even sure if he's still in game, our paths haven't crossed in a while.
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oh come on. getting 2 bs bpo of the same race, hello there are 3 other races not everyone fly gallente ships.bomberesque wrote:I agree with Friz. One step at a time
Step1 Mega BPO
Step2 Domi BPO
/me runs
Seriously though, I can honestly state that I have lost more megas than any other ship above frigate class and as friz says, it appears on KBs with great regularity (due to being popular of course, nothing pants about it >.> ).
Spear has a mega BPO doesn't he? Not even sure if he's still in game, our paths haven't crossed in a while.
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But a very good amount fly Megathrons and lose them regularly enough to keep the market fresh! 
While I love the idea of getting a Domi BPO, I'm with Dolly, and think we should look at another race. Since the Megathron is a well-used insurable ship, I think it will hold some popularity after T2 BS's hit the market.
So, by a margin of 3-1, we've decided (thus far, has only been a day.5 since the poll went up!) that a BS BPO is a worthwhile investment. Since it will take other bits, minerals and such to invent it, I suggest we only buy one Megathron BPO, and get into production mode with it immediately. It'll be in research for quite a bit at first, so we'll also buy some bpc's to get construction rolling on whatever BS's we can get BPC's for, AND turn a profit on. tis only a matter of a spreadsheet to track mineral costs/build costs/ and look at the market to determine what we can expect to sell them at. The profits are in the correct mix of low buy orders, and high sell's, so it needs to be well-managed to work right. Also, we'll be using ships for corp BS replacements, and hoping the insurance stays high enough to cover mineral prices.
Once the BPO is out of research, we'll need to start copying it for use and invention. Use will be small runs, invention large. So once again the bpo will be costing us money for research.
Finally, when the BPO is all researched up, and we start building T2 variants, then I would suggest rebalancing the accounts and seeing if we want to look at a second BS BPO. Between the point where we purchase a BPO and it makes us any isk will be a long road indeed.
Friz, would it be possible to set aside a special section of the wallet for BPO cost/profit tracking?
While I love the idea of getting a Domi BPO, I'm with Dolly, and think we should look at another race. Since the Megathron is a well-used insurable ship, I think it will hold some popularity after T2 BS's hit the market.
So, by a margin of 3-1, we've decided (thus far, has only been a day.5 since the poll went up!) that a BS BPO is a worthwhile investment. Since it will take other bits, minerals and such to invent it, I suggest we only buy one Megathron BPO, and get into production mode with it immediately. It'll be in research for quite a bit at first, so we'll also buy some bpc's to get construction rolling on whatever BS's we can get BPC's for, AND turn a profit on. tis only a matter of a spreadsheet to track mineral costs/build costs/ and look at the market to determine what we can expect to sell them at. The profits are in the correct mix of low buy orders, and high sell's, so it needs to be well-managed to work right. Also, we'll be using ships for corp BS replacements, and hoping the insurance stays high enough to cover mineral prices.
Once the BPO is out of research, we'll need to start copying it for use and invention. Use will be small runs, invention large. So once again the bpo will be costing us money for research.
Finally, when the BPO is all researched up, and we start building T2 variants, then I would suggest rebalancing the accounts and seeing if we want to look at a second BS BPO. Between the point where we purchase a BPO and it makes us any isk will be a long road indeed.
Friz, would it be possible to set aside a special section of the wallet for BPO cost/profit tracking?