Hit boxes

[Woo Elephant Yeah]

So this explains why I'm so shit then

http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=css_hit_b0x_bb

[spoodie]

I saw that the other week and previously heard people moaning about hit boxes but I dont really see the problem. Bullets dont move at the speed of light. How does it work in other games?

[mrbobbins]

I saw that the other week and previously heard people moaning about hit boxes but I dont really see the problem. Bullets dont move at the speed of light. How does it work in other games?

But when you're only a few feet away from someone and their hitbox is completely outside the player model then something's not right.

Not sure about how it's done in other games.

[viper_2090]

So this explains why I'm so shit then

http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=css_hit_b0x_bb

Hmm, what does that video play with, Firefox can't find the plugin in needs!

Edit: fired it up in IE..

that is really werid, but the dude that made the video really does have a point, some dodgey stuff going on there...

[Woo Elephant Yeah]

Viper, it's a Windows Media Player 10 file, so perhaps you need WMP 10 to play it, and not just v.9???

As for hit boxes, I think this is shit, and ought to be resolved, or at least tweaked a bit better.

The only time anything like this happens in COD for example is over very long distances with a sniper rifle, which in my opinion, makes more sense.

[spoodie]

But when you're only a few feet away from someone and their hitbox is completely outside the player model then something's not right.

I see what you mean, a targets hitbox should move depending on how far away you are from the target, but I guess that would mean each player would need a seperate hitbox for each enemy. The current hitbox position must be based on an average distance or something, you think?

[mrbobbins]

a targets hitbox should move depending on how far away you are from the target

Well personally I don't think a hitbox should move from the model at all, looking at this it seems that in CS:S it's dependant on how fast the player is moving.

Anyone know what it was like in 1.6 :

[Tomo2k5]

a targets hitbox should move depending on how far away you are from the target

Well personally I don't think a hitbox should move from the model at all, looking at this it seems that in CS:S it's dependant on how fast the player is moving.

Anyone know what it was like in 1.6 :

I do, the hitboxes in 1.6 are much better than Source. I heard rumours that Valve was going to fix the source hitboxes very soon, due to the amount of complaints.

[Jinxx]

I do think the hitboxes in Source are shifty - and after playing other games for a while, it doesn't feel right in CS:S anymore (I've not played 1.6 enough to compare).

And hello Tomo2k5.

[Woo Elephant Yeah]

lo tomo2k5

[mrbobbins]

Hmm not so sure about this video now after reading a bit on the steam forums

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/s ... did=298522

"Client and server hitboxes don't exactly match because of small precision errors in time measurement. Even a small difference of a few milliseconds can cause an error of several inches for fast-moving objects. Multiplayer hit detection is not pixel perfect and has known precision limitations based on the tickrate and the speed of moving objects."

"The question arises, why is hit detection so complicated on the server? Doing the back tracking of player positions and dealing with precision errors while hit detection could be done client-side way easier and with pixel precision. The client would just tell the server with a "hit" message what player has been hit and where. We can't allow that simply because a game server can't trust the clients on such important decisions. Even if the client is "clean" and protected by VAC (Valve-Anti-Cheat), the packets could be still modified on a 3rd machine while routed to the game server. These "cheat proxies" could inject "hit" messages into the network packet without being detected by VAC (a "man-in-the-middle" attack)."

[Woo Elephant Yeah]

Oh well, looks like there's not much else that can be done then

[deject]

Don't put much stock into these hitbox videos. There are a lot of variables involed in where these hitboxes go, and in my experience it's not a great idea to lead by that much. That's also why I don't aim per se, I more just shoot in their general direction.

[cashy]

Don't put much stock into these hitbox videos. There are a lot of variables involed in where these hitboxes go, and in my experience it's not a great idea to lead by that much. That's also why I don't aim per se, I more just shoot in their general direction.

i for one spray and prey. thats how i used to play 1.6 too though, and i owned the lot of them. very interesting video

[Sledra]

A good old shotgun blast will soon put an end to these troubles, you hit the character model, the hitboxes, and everything else in a 4 mile radius!

[JamieChalm]

I've never had much trouble with hitboxes. But then again, if the enemy isn't standing there, then I usually end up running around in circles shooting the wall.

[Gunslinger42]

I made my own server, added a load of bots and then turned the hitbox thing on, strangely enough, whenever I hit the hitboxes, nothing happened, but when I hit the model a hit registered *shrugs*

[deject]

I made my own server, added a load of bots and then turned the hitbox thing on, strangely enough, whenever I hit the hitboxes, nothing happened, but when I hit the model a hit registered *shrugs*

This is why I don't put much stock in hitbox videos. I've seen that kind of behaviour, and I've seen the hitboxes line up directly with the model too, so where the hitboxes really are is more of a function of server and client configuration.