Borderlands Tweaks

Post by **Dog Pants** » November 1st, 2009, 9:37

Do elemental effects cause more damage? I've had loads of weapons that have them and all sound very nice, but they never do more damage than the ones I've got (I've still got my Genocide Stomper). However, where the elemental damage icon is I've noticed there's a multiplier. Is this a damage thing or the chance of it doing elemental damage?

Post by **Grimmie** » November 1st, 2009, 10:10

I believe the multiplier is for shotguns, to show how much each shot does.

The elemental damages do different things, flame burns flesh over time, electrical shocks and stuns, corrosive does damage over time. The only big hitter I've come across so far is explosive, which has a chance of doing a shit-ton of bonus damage to the target. As far as I can tell..

Post by **Dog Pants** » November 1st, 2009, 11:10

Not the multiplier that flashes up with the damage, theres one over the top of the symbol for whichever element the weapon has.

Post by **Grimmie** » November 1st, 2009, 11:43

Oh right. Possibly the chance that it has to do elemental damage?

Shada · Post by **Shada** » November 1st, 2009, 11:56

It's just how powerful the effect is, I think. I don't think it's effect chance because that's symbolised by "Low/High elemental effect chance" text.

Fire does more damage to health, Shock causes more damage to shields, Toxic causes damage to armour that weakens the target as time goes by (so you dont have to focus on weak points, just corrode that skag's armour away). All of those have a damage over time effect when they activate. Explosive causes extra damage and can hit multiple targets, but has no damage over time or special effect.

Post by **Dog Pants** » November 1st, 2009, 12:51

So it's worth dropping a bit of damage for an effect then?

Post by **HereComesPete** » November 1st, 2009, 13:00

Obviously there's some slight spoilers at this site but that link is just to the guns and may help you decide what to lug around.

Shada · Post by **Shada** » November 1st, 2009, 13:26

Dog Pants wrote:So it's worth dropping a bit of damage for an effect then?

Yeah, usually. Especially so if you're playing elemental Lilith.

Explosive is probably the most noticably powerful effect. I had an explosive revolver at level 16 or so that I kept well into the 20s because it just outclassed everything. Its damage output was only something like 80, but it fired rapidly and exploded on every shot so shit just got wrecked.

If you're a bit obsessive about exploiting weaknesses you might want to keep different elements handy - toxic guns for armoured creatures and badasses, electric for shields etc. But it's not really necessary to do that.

Post by **Dog Pants** » November 1st, 2009, 13:33

I'm more of a 'shoot it in the face until it dies' kind of guy. I keep my inventory minimalist. However, since I carry three different weapons I might as well have different effects on them. I did sell an incendiary sniper rifle, which I almost regret now, but the one I have does twice as much damage.

Post by **HereComesPete** » November 1st, 2009, 13:41

More tweaks here ladies!

Primarily concerned with making it feel less consoley, but it does have a way of getting rid of start up movies.

Also, you may have a directx10 card, but are you playing in dx10? Have a look in the game.ini and you'll see that no, you aren't. Maybe one day however they'll patch it and we'll get glorious dx10 shaders and lighting.

Shada · Post by **Shada** » November 1st, 2009, 14:58

The only thing I really want is a way to lock the FOV at 90. The default FOV is around 75, maybe even lower, and it's really noticeably horrible when trying to kill flying enemies or when inside small houses.

Unfortunately there's no way to do it as it resets when performing most actions. Seriously, even meleeing resets the FOV. Why.

The workaround is basically to set every key to FOV 90, which is obviously stupid as your FOV springs around all over the place and it looks like shit.

Post by **FatherJack** » November 1st, 2009, 19:10

I found even weak weapons with the fire elemental attack are really effective against the flying rakk things.

Baliame · Post by **Baliame** » November 1st, 2009, 19:55

Anything is effective against rakks, as long as you hit them that is.

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Elemental damage works quite simple though: all elemental damage done goes over the base damage of the weapon. There are different "levels" of elemental damage done noted by an x[number] on the weapon description. I have no clue what it relates to - it is definitely not a multiplier of the base damage. Anyway, I can safely say the higher this level is, the more elemental damage it does. However, weapons with elemental damage, regardless whether it triggers or not on hit, do drastically less damage to enemies who are either protected from or enchanted by (for example Corrosive Spiderants) that element. Now, there are several types of elemental damage, each doing damage differently.
* Corrosive: Does weak-medium damage over time for a limited time, spreads with touch, and you do extra damage with corrosive weapons against enemies already effected by corrosion. A pretty universal elemental damage, very useful if you have it slapped on a high damage or high speed weapon.
* Incendiary: Does high damage over time for a long time. It's fun.
* Shock: Does a medium-high amount of bonus damage against flesh/armor, very high amount of damage against shields. Very useful against guardians.
* Explosive: Does a medium amount of bonus damage, and enemies near the target also take a fraction of the damage done to the target, depending on distance. Great against bandits, they're always grouping up, the bastards.

Now for a little on-topic, I'm going to attempt to dissect the game with UT3's editor. Probably won't work, but still worth a try.

Shada · Post by **Shada** » November 2nd, 2009, 12:17

FINALLY

check the bottom of this topic post for how to make the inventory font smaller so you can see more than 4 lines of weapon bonuses

In case you didn't know, the retard xbox interface can only show 4 powers on an item - but items often have 5 or 6 powers, especially class mods.

Post by **HereComesPete** » November 2nd, 2009, 12:29

I did link to that exact post

just so you know.

It's painfully console in places, the fov, unclickable menu options and overlarge font are just cases in point.

Shada · Post by **Shada** » November 2nd, 2009, 12:34

Yes, pete, I know you did. But that was only added today.

spoodie · Post by **spoodie** » November 2nd, 2009, 12:43

HereComesPete wrote:I did link to that exact post just so you know.

So did RPS at the start of the thread, so you don't win the prize.

I want a tweak to silence those charmless robots.

Post by **Dog Pants** » November 2nd, 2009, 12:44

Awww, I like the Claptraps. Particularly the one on the menu screen whose CD drive comes out when he does his pelvic thrusts.

mrbobbins · Post by **mrbobbins** » November 2nd, 2009, 13:06

Dog Pants wrote:Awww, I like the Claptraps. Particularly the one on the menu screen whose CD drive comes out when he does his pelvic thrusts.

Even when it goes "Ooh look at me I'm dancing!" ?

spoodie · Post by **spoodie** » November 2nd, 2009, 13:32

mrbobbins wrote:Even when it goes "Ooh look at me I'm dancing!" ?

That's the worst. If it wasn't for that he'd be easily be ignorable. Although perhaps also when he says "I'm over here", or something, while you're looking around. Shut the fuck up, I'm searching every corner for goodies.