Corp Activities and Your Involvement

[Hehulk]

Eve is a PvP game.

this is the biggest crock of shit i have heard. NO I am not arguing you on this cause I do that in Eve-O.

Serously, have you ever actually though about it, or just assumed?

Mining - Denies others resources, since it's finate (to a point). This also applies to moon mining, gas harvesting and salvaging
Ratting - you've never been in a system in 0.0 ratting where your in competition with others ratting for the NPCs?
Market Trading - Any serious trader will tell you the decent trade routes do come under an aggressive assault every so often, that can cost the unlucky person hundreds of millions or billions in the extreme cases (If they're really unlucky and really stupid)

Missions I'll grant you. That's an unlimited supply that only requires you to grind for a few days to be able to do the stuff stuff, anc can be done by anyway. It's pretty much the only true carebear activity in eve, because it harms no-one (Though I suppose there is an element of weird self mutiliation in there)

[Dolly Parton]

Serously, have you ever actually though about it, or just assumed?

yes - thought

Mining - Denies others resources, since it's finate (to a point). This also applies to moon mining, gas harvesting and salvaging

not arguing mining really cause roids and moons we know belong in space and would be used for their resouces like we will do in the next couple of decades. think we're going to the moon if their wasn't helium-3 there. so they would be in a PvP only Eve

Ratting - you've never been in a system in 0.0 ratting where your in competition with others ratting for the NPCs?

not saying competition for rats. saying if this is a PvP game then remove all PvE content and rats are PvE. Tell me how rats are PvP. So if they are PvE then you are not in competition for them so your competing over ore/moons/trade hubs not over rats

Market Trading - Any serious trader will tell you the decent trade routes do come under an aggressive assault every so often, that can cost the unlucky person hundreds of millions or billions in the extreme cases (If they're really unlucky and really stupid)

no doubt but trading would exist in a PvP EvE game so i agree

Missions I'll grant you. That's an unlimited supply that only requires you to grind for a few days to be able to do the stuff stuff, anc can be done by anyway. It's pretty much the only true carebear activity in eve, because it harms no-one (Though I suppose there is an element of weird self mutiliation in there)

not anymore for those that run them in low security and the PvP player base can scan them out for easy kills (personal view but thats another thread) mining in 1.0 is the Truest carebear for no risk. and for some reason I like rape tape better then self mutilation.

all in all the whole conversation PvP EvE vs PvE/PvP EvE is all hypothetical since we have the latter. Sort of like you say potato and i say potato (yeah typing it doesn't work like saying it) I also hope I never see the PvP EvE only cause that would destroy my favorite game.



ps

just want to reiterate i argue the topic only (semantics) not arguing the player. now back to my senior design project chat tomorrow

[friznit]

Perhaps I should have quoted the devs and said 'predominantly PvP'. There are elements of PvE I agree, but it's a sideshow. It changes nothing in the long run, apart from net you a little more isk. If that's what you enjoy, I'll not deny you the pleasure of course, but it's not going to get us anywhere as a corp.

Eve stands apart from the MMO crowd by enabling the players to change the enviroment they live in. We write the storyline, it is truly dynamic. In order to survive as an entity, and write our own chapter in that history, we have to PvP.

Anyway, lets not get sidelined by an irrelevant argument. The bit of Eve 5punkorp is mostly going to be involved in is neccessarily PvP-centric. We've arranged things for our industrialists and mission runners: we moved the whole corp to Goram, built a freighter and set up the sweetest mining spot we could possibly hope for.

Why should it seem so tough that we asking for a some help in return?

[centerededgedesign]

I'd like to propose an op for NEXT weekend, (6/23). I may not be able to attend, but I think this could be a good opportunity for the corp to work together in the new era of Eve that is coming next Tuesday.

I propose a plex run, (assuming we can find one!!) I've not been able to track dev blogs as well of late, but I recall they were talking of doing away with static plexes.

Requirements: (you should bring one or the other of the ships listed, both if you can manage. Let me know if you need a fresh one built, we'll talk)

BC fitted for spider repping (They also talked of changing power needs on remote reppers, so good idea to test)

OR

Cov Ops for scanning down a plex.

FC (Should NOT be experienced, to horse others to learn/grow. I'll volunteer for this if nobody else does)

I'd like us to be able to loot/salvage these as well, so perhaps we can search around the Goram area. If no luck, we'll try Nakah, (dependant on turnout, we'll need a larger horse to ensure security there)

I think this would give most of the areas of expertise something to enjoy doing. Who knows, we might hit ore!

With a week to plan though, we should be able to sort any logistical needs quite easily, (I'm cooking alot of batteries now in Goram), so failure is not an option!

[friznit]

Sounds good. Stick something on the 5cheduler, and put some exploration probes on the boil

[Anhamgrimmar]

One thing i would ask: An idiots guide to FCing?

On the one time i did try to lead a gang, i was half cut, didnt have an idea where i was gonna head to, and managed to get myself killed before the op started. This made actually gave me my first ever documented case of Eve-RAGE!!!tm, and caused me to log off in as huff.

Now i know for a fact that my general EvE performance would be improved immesurably by being atleast close to sober when playing, but what do others in our circle do to atleast get a gang moving?

[Knight]

I like the sound of this plex run and (social requirements dependant) I shall be there in my lovely Corp-Insured BC :D
Are medium armour repper drones ok for spider-repping in that setup? As I cant use the heavys, and the Harbi would only take 2 of them anyway......

[friznit]

Jaeger - anytime you're on I'll happily talk you through the basics.

Knight - yes, fine.

[eRabbit]

One thing i would ask: An idiots guide to FCing?

The majority of learning how to FC comes from being in gangs and just listening to someone else FC.

[Hehulk]

One thing i would ask: An idiots guide to FCing?

Call primaries and secondaries
If the fleet is using remote reps issue a regroup point so people can rep each other
Keep an eye on number of hostile wrecks vs number of friendy wrecks, if you see more friendly wrecks, fuck it and disengage.