PS3 or 360

Post by **FatherJack** » February 18th, 2007, 5:55

If it had come out before Christmas, it's likely I'd have a PS3 now, but it didn't - so I have a Wii. At the time the 360 had a bit of a reputation for not actually having any cocking games, so it wasn't considered.

One thing this has taught me is that if you buy any console on it's release day, there are very few games for it that you're actually interested in.

There do seem rather a lot of 360 games now, although that's mostly because of their prominence in shop displays - if I had to say how many interested me, that I hadn't already bought for or played with my 360-owning friends, that would be...ooh let me count...one - and that's coming out on the PS3 in short order. (Enchanted Arms)

So, looking at the timetable we have the PS3 on March 23, largely irrelavantly as I can't see a single launch title I want, although pre-ordering is probably the only way to secure one. March 30 though, Gran Turismo 5 drops - this is big in my book - this is the entire fucking reason Playstations even exist, in my view. Then, not much - I was never a fan of MGS, GTA is cross-platform, and FFXIII isn't out until mid-2008.

On the Microsoft calendar, July sees Forza 2 appearing on the 360 - the sequel to easily the best Xbox game - obviously it's like Gran Turismo, but different enough that I felt I had to own them both.

So are there any other system-exclusives which I've not spotted in my admittedly rather brief look? Clearly I must own of these consoles by the summer, but which one? At the moment when asking myself the question "Will sir have the Gran Turismo 5 or does sir favour a bit of a Forza 2?", the only answer I can give is: "yes, please"

Post by **Dr. kitteny berk** » February 18th, 2007, 6:02

xbox 360, easily.

The 2nd generation should appear soon (enough to fuck the ps3), it'll be cheaper, and blu-ray FTL.

also, forza feels better to me.

Post by **FatherJack** » February 18th, 2007, 7:18

Dr. kitteny berk wrote:The 2nd generation should appear soon (enough to fuck the ps3)

I'm guessing you mean bigger internal hard drive and built-in HD-DVD, negating Sony's claims about the systems being unequal. Well, yes - that would be good.

Dr. kitteny berk wrote:it'll be cheaper

We'll see. My money's on "comparable". Assuming you mean the "equivalent" version. I don't think the 360's price has dropped at all in the last year, and I bet the bean-counters at XBox-land are wanking all over their calculators at the £425 price tag of the PS3.

Dr. kitteny berk wrote:blu-ray FTL

Well probably, yes. I only just bought a big CRT TV, so my ability to watch HD movies is in the distant future, but I just remembered I forgot to add UMD to the list of Sony's failures in the format wars, along with BetaMax and MiniDisc.

Dr. kitteny berk wrote:forza feels better to me

It ended up being my favourite, narf - even though I hated it at first (the demo sucked HARD). Still GT's always had more cars and tracks to play with - great times had slamming Volvo 240 Estates around street circuits with my Dad - have to wait and see, really.

Post by **Dog Pants** » February 18th, 2007, 8:53

I honestly couldn't click on either of those buttons because I haven't a clue what games are out for each, and theat's the clincher really. I suppose whichever one has Dead Rising.

The thing about Blu-Ray though, an awful lot of people seem to be saying that they don't care about it because they don't plan on going HD for years yet. Maybe until the price of HD TVs come down it's not going to matter for most people.

Lateralus · Post by **Lateralus** » February 18th, 2007, 9:17

I've been having a similar debate with myself recently. My mobile contract is up in may time I think, and I'm considering going for one of those dial-a-phone contracts and getting a free 360. However, I'm not too sure I can actually afford the games once I have it. Is it backwards compatible with the xbox? Failing that, I might get a ipod video instead. For the PS3, GT5 is a big draw for me, but there aren't many other PS3-only titles that I'm aware of and give me a feeling of WANT. I'll probably end up getting neither.

Post by **FatherJack** » February 18th, 2007, 9:51

Dog Pants wrote:whichever one has Dead Rising.

The thing about Blu-Ray though, an awful lot of people seem to be saying that they don't care about it because they don't plan on going HD for years yet. Maybe until the price of HD TVs come down it's not going to matter for most people.

Dead Rising is (currently) a 360 exclusive, however despite it's massive potential, it's somewhat flawed. Excellent fun for a while, but let down by nasty controls and respawning annoying bad guys. Could be mitigated by cheats/maps/guides, but narf I played it for a long afternoon and haven't really wanted to go back to it. I would certainly recommend a play of it, but wouldn't justify a system purchase because of it. A PC version (assuming mouse-aim and configurable camera controls) would defuse more than half of my frustrations with the title, a PS3 release..wouldn't.

As you say, HD-DVD/BluRay is not an issue for me, I'll most likely have the capability to play either long before I have the facilities to make it worthwhile.

I've yet to find a single video that'll fill either dimension of a 1280 4:3 PC monitor, and I'm as comfortable watching things there as on the TV downstairs, judging that the size of your screen is only really relevant when you consider how close you are to it.

Lateralus wrote:Is it backwards compatible with the xbox?

The 360 has limited backwards compatibility, via downloaded (yes, you need live) patches, which don't exist for all games. Backwards compatibility has always seemed to me a bit of a nothing, really - it's always appeared to be the rule that you can pick up the actual old systems for not much more than the price of a single game for the new ones.

Post by **Dog Pants** » February 18th, 2007, 9:58

FatherJack wrote:Dead Rising is (currently) a 360 exclusive, however despite it's massive potential, it's somewhat flawed. Excellent fun for a while, but let down by nasty controls and respawning annoying bad guys. Could be mitigated by cheats/maps/guides, but narf I played it for a long afternoon and haven't really wanted to go back to it. I would certainly recommend a play of it, but wouldn't justify a system purchase because of it. A PC version (assuming mouse-aim and configurable camera controls) would defuse more than half of my frustrations with the title, a PS3 release..wouldn't.

That's pretty much why I'm getting a Wii. I've not bought a console since the Playstation (and that was years after release) because the PC does games I like so much better. Dead Rising sounds like every other console game I've played - fun for a blast but no longetivity. The Wii seems so much different that I'd like to give it a go. I might only play it when friends are round, or when Mrs Pants feels like a game, but for £280 it's not really a bad investment.

Post by **FatherJack** » February 18th, 2007, 10:10

Dog Pants wrote:Wii. for £280 it's not really a bad investment.

? it was about £200 on release, who's charging that much?

Seriously it really needs moar games before I could honestly recommend it as a gaming platform, as it is: "fun for a blast but no longetivity" about covers it. Apart from Zelda, the Sports game that comes with it is about the best it has to offer, and once everyone's had a go, there's not much else. It requires a proper golf game, stat.

spoodie · Post by **spoodie** » February 18th, 2007, 11:18

FatherJack wrote:I'm guessing you mean bigger internal hard drive and built-in HD-DVD, negating Sony's claims about the systems being unequal. Well, yes - that would be good.

I'm sure I read somewhere that the newer 360 wont have a built in HD-DVD player, just a large HD and capable of high-res to match the PS3. Worth checking out before investing in one.

I voted 360 because I fancy one and Sony sux lol. I did entertain the idea of a PS3 for a while but there seems to be more interesting games coming out for the 360 and MS wins over Sony in the online stakes, which is very important these days.

Post by **Dog Pants** » February 18th, 2007, 11:46

FatherJack wrote: ? it was about £200 on release, who's charging that much?

It's £180, but if you want two controllers and Wii Play it's £280.

pixie pie · Post by **pixie pie** » February 18th, 2007, 12:39

FatherJack wrote:and FFXIII isn't out until mid-2008.

I swear I heard it was out before the end of 2007, and there's FFXII out on the PS2 very soon to hold you over.

FatherJack wrote:Seriously it really needs moar games before I could honestly recommend it as a gaming platform, as it is: "fun for a blast but no longetivity" about covers it. Apart from Zelda, the Sports game that comes with it is about the best it has to offer, and once everyone's had a go, there's not much else. It requires a proper golf game, stat.

Tiger woods PGA Golf, sometime in March.

viper_2090 · Post by **viper_2090** » February 18th, 2007, 13:26

spoodie wrote:I'm sure I read somewhere that the newer 360 wont have a built in HD-DVD player, just a large HD and capable of high-res to match the PS3. Worth checking out before investing in one.

Yup, It'll have a 60gig Hard Drive and comes with a HDMI output (so says the internet rumour-mill)

Post by **deject** » February 18th, 2007, 13:59

Just FYI, there are lots of PS3s sitting on shelves over here. A significant portion of the initial demand was from people who just wanted to sell them on ebay for a profit. Sony's management have been giant arrogant assholes, which in my book would be enough to stop me from buying a PS3. Their whole "People will buy the PS3 just because it's the PS3" schtick is just irritating. Bottom line: the Xbox360 has more games and better online play. The PS3 will most likely catch up, but Sony doesn't deserve your money.

Stoat · Post by **Stoat** » February 18th, 2007, 14:12

Would have to be 360.
More games (and loads to rent), Shiny Live, Arcade +XNA and good industry support.

The fact that it's taken the entire life of the PS2 it produce a game I'm really interested in bodes badly for PS3.

mrbobbins · Post by **mrbobbins** » February 18th, 2007, 14:14

360 cos it's cheaper, by a lot.

Plus, Halo 3

Woo Elephant Yeah · Post by **Woo Elephant Yeah** » February 19th, 2007, 8:22

360's games list doesn't interest me, and the PS3 is too expensive.

If money was no object and I had to choose, it would definitely be a PS3.

Also the comments about Blu-Ray failing are somewhat silly when you look at recent talk and numbers of what's available on high def discs, and how many high def discs have been sold.

Sony seem to be winning the battle hands down, and the amount of people buying the HD-DVD drives and then flogging them on because they realise there is hardly any content to purchase is shocking.

In the States they are pricing high def discs at just a couple more dollars than a DVD, but trust me, over here in the UK and the rest of Europe they are charging a fortune.

Basically if they removed the Blu-Ray player and reduced the price, then PS3 would win hands down IMO, but as it is, the price point is too high. Once the price drops after manufacturing becomes a lot cheaper, the PS3 will turn out to be the winning console, but not till after the Christmas rush this year.

Nickface · Post by **Nickface** » February 19th, 2007, 16:39

I'll admit I am somewhat biased toward Nintendo (I did sell my PS2 in order to by my Gamecube), and I proudly bought a Wii. Last generation I was vehemently anti-microsoft, however, upon looking at all the factors, including price, games, and other smaller things, I would go with an Xbox 360, hands down.

Post by **deject** » February 19th, 2007, 17:11

Woo Elephant Yeah wrote:360's games list doesn't interest me, and the PS3 is too expensive.

If money was no object and I had to choose, it would definitely be a PS3.

Also the comments about Blu-Ray failing are somewhat silly when you look at recent talk and numbers of what's available on high def discs, and how many high def discs have been sold.

Sony seem to be winning the battle hands down, and the amount of people buying the HD-DVD drives and then flogging them on because they realise there is hardly any content to purchase is shocking.

In the States they are pricing high def discs at just a couple more dollars than a DVD, but trust me, over here in the UK and the rest of Europe they are charging a fortune.

Basically if they removed the Blu-Ray player and reduced the price, then PS3 would win hands down IMO, but as it is, the price point is too high. Once the price drops after manufacturing becomes a lot cheaper, the PS3 will turn out to be the winning console, but not till after the Christmas rush this year.

^ Sony fanboy.

mrbobbins · Post by **mrbobbins** » February 19th, 2007, 17:46

Blu-Ray = fail because:

Sony wrote:No XXX-rated movies to be released on Blu-ray

Pr0n has been the driving horse behind most entertainment technology advances

Woo Elephant Yeah · Post by **Woo Elephant Yeah** » February 19th, 2007, 17:46

deject wrote:^ Sony fanboy.

No, it may seem like that, but I own a PSOne, PS2, Xbox, Dreamcast, Nintendo Gamecube, Nintendo Gameboy Advance SP, Sony PSP.

I've never been loyal to any branding, I just don't see anything other than Gears Of War & Dead Rising making me want to go out and buy the console.

The Wii looks great fun, but not sure if the novelty will wear off, and then it just gathers dust like my Eye Toy games now do.

As for the PS3, well, it's just too damn expensive for a games console, hence why I won't ever be buying one until there is a "big" reduction in price.

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