New ISS Stuff

[Dolly Parton]

Well from all the replies to my inane drivel it seems ISS is much better than when I departed.

If true that is most win.

Even though when leaving I said I wouldn't be interested in rejoining ISS because I didn't really enjoy it and/or fit in much - if ISS is becoming much more a 'traditional' alliance this changes my view. But for now I am happy pottering around Privateers and low-sec whoring. If permitted I'll no doubt rejoin one day and we can resurrect our late-night-ratting rituals Dolly.

i would like that but your gonna have to take a long long bath to get that privateer stink off of you. till then good luck in you endeavors

DP

[Jin]

Although there may be considerable disagreement with what Fear has said above (I don't feel qualified to go into tthe details), I think his views on recent events do indicate that while the ISS Loyal feel that they acquitted themselves well during the recent strife, there is a perception outside of ISS and our immediate allies that the alliance was well and truly trounced. From the outside it looks like our most significant wins came about with the help of stronger allies (LV and their Titan), and when left to our own devices our ability to defend our assets was such that we lost Marginis and Tycho; regardless of any victories in W9 or carrier destruction in ZX.

I may be wrong, but I feel this public perception of our weakness has meant that the Goons and whoever now feel confident enough to make an attempt on the Providence outposts without any fear of effective opposition. I haven't even gone into the loss of the Nothern outposts, which can only have exacerbated this effect.

It's only a thought, but whilst I agree with the majority that for our size and PvP experience levels we did well to hang on as long as we did, in the ned what will be remembered is that ISS got their arses kicked in Catch and wherever the hell up North the other outposts were and look set to get their arses kicked in Providence or else run before that happens.

BTW how are Ushra'Khan going to feel if we just run off and leave thm to look after Providence?

I don't clai to be right but my feeling is that if Fear sees the result of the conflict the way he does, he won't be the only one and it could be difficult to predict the effects of that.

[centerededgedesign]

My two cents, because I feel I can contribute....

What has all that has happened in the last year done for 5punkorp? It has changed ISS, it has found Fw4ppers as somewhat useful recruiting medium, it has GROWN in overall multi-corp capacity ALOT, (How many bpo's we have access to alone is testament to that!) We have multiple goal oriented endeavors in play, (pvp, industrial, capital, research/bpo, militaristic perhaps?). We have several chaps that have weathered all these changes because they believe, NOT in ISS, but in the core group that has founded us all. Fea has many times taken to account the '5punky way' and ensuring that our endeavors are in line with this. The '5punky Way' has changed/grown/adapted/mutated as the situation dictates, but at the end of the day, I think we've proven time and again that our special brand of 5punky Trail mix tastes the best to those of us posting here now. Fear has stirred something inside of quite a few of us, I see quite a few posts that ring pretty close to the heart, and it brings us to this: What do we want from ALL the parts of 5punk?

5punkorp proper is currently endeavoring to remain part of ISS in it's new venture. Mostly though, 5punk is attempting to rape the living roids out of as much as Tenerifis as we can get our shiny lasers on to make the corp uber rich. (Side NOTE): I plan to heavily subsidize the capital wing with my earnings, to provide us with REALY OMFGWTF HUGE fleet capabilities, because Eve ultimately comes down to either getting shot or shooting at some point. You can't defend your efforts in any large part of Eve without shooting, or at least shooting back.

Moarty has split off to do the pew pew endeavors. Tis what makes its members hearts beat faster, and pants wet in the good way. More power to them, and I hope that they can remain supportive of the other parts of the group we have here. Their skills in warfare and contacts could only be useful in keeping doors open to future 5punkiness.

Fw4ppers rests. We have some alts using the research facilities, some alts mining, and providing a home for those that don't embrace the current direction of 5punkorp. I don't have time to direct noobs at this juncture in my life, and not being able to give them time is to deny them what noobs need. Also, we're seeming to do well of late recruiting higher sp members, so Fw4ppers primary function seems to be as an Empire corp atm.

In Soviet Russia, ships build You is our mate Wiggy's attempt to get some uberly huge construction started. Mostly he needs isk to start production. As he gets massive piles of the isk, he'll move into getting bpos for the ship components, then we'll be able to just buy the bpc's for the actual capitals to build what we want. And since they take MASSIVE amounts of minerals, he'll either need isk or mins, which we can help with one way or another. Patience is key here, twill take as much time as it does isk to make this endeavor fruitful. I want a carrier or dread someday, so who better to build it than our own?

Reavers- a corp Bomber wants to build of kamikaze frig pilots that run around with hull damage so their ships will be flaming in space.

Just in that bunch, what is there to still want? I can't think of any atm, but we have 'distant' members that are off doing their own thing as well. Hell, friends are what we're about, let's remember that when we start to think about what WE want next. ISS is just where part of us are now. Who knows what tomorrow brings to ANY alliance, but as long as we're having fun and we have each other, WHO CARES? I care, about my mates having a good time. Not about a damn thing else. I think a quite common thread to all of us is getting in that next big shiny ship and PWNING something with it, whether it be a monstrous asteroid or a blob of Angel Dreads worth 42 billion each with a single titan boomsphere. But friendship is our strength, lets not forget it.

Damn, went over my two cents again. Anyone have change for a $50?

(/me thinks there were more posts than this last night....)

[Dolly Parton]

... Mostly though, 5punk is attempting to rape the living roids out of as much as Tenerifis as we can get our shiny lasers on to make the corp uber rich...

Thats my favorite part

I did read the rest and like what you said but after here my mind drifted away and nothing seemed nicer

Saturday when the first of you guys get together go ahead and start. I got the timezone thing but will go right from bed to computer and light the lasers up. wrong thread but its what the quote was about.

DP

[Fear]

OK, so it seems I said some stuff that has pissed some of you off.

If this is true well then, bollocks. It is only a game, I have stated I'd help 5punkorp out, or indeed any of the corporations we are in, at the drop of a hat. I have never been hostile in the game or written anything bad or damaging in the public domain (or indeed in private - which wiggy and jaeger can attest to).

The "war dec" from "my corp" to ISS was badly timed, but was only a game mechanic. I even posted in corp evemail about what would happen and mentioned it in x-5punkers last night. People seem a bit to keen to jump to conclusions.

Ok so I left and created a corp, had (having) a bit of fun. Don't take it as a personal snub. It isn't.

I quite liked Fea's post last night, but that has now disappeared?

[bomberesque]

including taking down one of their carriers in the middle of their whole blob.

You're forgetting that they admitted later that they had actually been using the carrier to try and bait us out. It worked

Fear, thanks for your perspective. Most importantly I think that you probably echo most of the general-eve-public's view atm that ISS are broken and we couldn't defend our kids from an onslaught of jelly babies. The truth (TM) as I see it is;

- Aside from a few key players (lyrus, Prax etc) member corps in ISS were there to build up the numbers in order to give Count T a big alliance membership that he could leverage public trust with in funding the outposts.
- When push came to shove we were unable to protect our outposts alone (predictable) and the public decided they didn't give a shit (dissapointing but with hindsight unsurprising) Thus we lost the outposts.
- While true that the outposts were technically shareholder property, the prestige that came from running them was ISS's. That is what we have truly lost.
- In that time, however, several corps really grew within ISS to the point now that the outposts no longer need to define us. 5punk is one of those corps (remember a year ago when we couldn't get by in Fru without getting our arses shot off and were really concerned that we'd never get a POS up to satisfy the ISS entry reqs?)
- Moving forward, what I feel we need is a goal. What do we want to be as ISS? Is the caravan idea matched with tennancy agreements enough or do we want to carve out our own plot and defend it properly this time? If so, how do we get to the point where we can do that, given that we've proved we're not there at the moment
- I've been thinking about the remaining "dead wood" aswell and I'm not so sure that we need to get rid of them, actually. If I read Count's posts correctly, ISS will now be collecting the taxes from the refining and LV will collect the rent (or did I get that wrong?) In this case, leave 'em in LV space, they generate income for the alliance and the corps that are interested can forge the new alliance future. We'd be leaching off each other, which is how all good relationships work anyway.

As for the Q; could we have beaten IAC? ... I tend to side with Fea. Before LV and MC showed up, IAC were camping down zxic every night. It's true that, once we got over the shock of our neighbours turning on us then woke up to the realisation that we would be fighting alone, things have improved a lot. In a straight up fight now IAC vs ISS I rekon we'd do OK. Back in December, well....

Ironically, therefore, we may have IAC to thank for this in the long run. If it hadn't been them attacking us in December, it would have been someone else in March

[amblin]

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[Dolly Parton]

first reply was better, more heart felt
second reply is better in clarification but lacks the emotion behind it

political correctness sucks, please stop. be 5punky not a politician

DP

I ♥ you all.

[Anhamgrimmar]

Cos I was tired, it was rambling and could've caused offence if taken wrongly. I wrote that then went straight to sleep, fully clothed...

I stand by what I said though, even though it disagrees with Friz, ISS could not have beaten IAC alone, let alone with their allies. We have been soundly beaten, but it just means the alliance has changed its modus operandi in order to survive and from now on we'll make every effort to make us an alliance to fear, not one to ridicule. Whether that's a pipe dream, only time will tell, but I intend to spend as much game time as I get working towards it by making myself rich and my corp successful and turning out to all-hands ops when I can.

I am not pissed off with you for leaving 5punkorp and founding your own pew-pew corp, but some of the reasons we were given for people leaving at the time seemed a bit lame to me. But it's fine, it means I get a hardcore of people interested in what 5punkorp has with ISS and I can impose my new rule more easily. I like the fact that we're not going to make 5punkorp an 'everyman' corp but rather trim it and give it more purpose. The community we have is founded on this forum, not an in-game corp, so it doesn't matter what corp badge we have.

I am also not pissed off with you for voicing honest opinions when asked to, I don't think anyone is. Responses and denials are just someone elses opinion. Welcome to the internet peoples! I want to thank you, trave, jaeger and wiggy for the effort and input you put in whilst in 5punkorp, you were a delight to have alongside us, but you're all still good voices in our common chat channels. Long may it remain so.

As for the wardec thing, yes, it's just a game mechanic, I knew and know that. I hope everyone else does now.

i know it now, but i didnt know it then. and i was drunk. surprises and alcohol do not make a good mix.

and jaegers not going anyware, tis the german bint who dropped roles

[bomberesque]

Jaeger's staying YAYS

[friznit]

Fear - I'm not pissed off. I asked for a candid opinion and you were good enough to give one, so thanks for that, but allow we to be candid in return. I know you guys left with the best intentions, but please spare a thought for the situation that I (and Fea) are in. It may go some way to explaining why I get a bit defensive...it's nothing personal.

We run 5punkorp. I have a ridiculously over developed sense of loyalty to the people in 5punk and have put considerable effort into growing and maturing the corp over the last year. When I joined we were mining ore in Osvestmunur because we were unable to face the low sec gankers in Fru. We built Wiggy his first Apoc - that took us almost a week. Now we have nearly 2 billion isk in the corp wallet, a freighter, a carrier, a 3 POS's, a respectable position in a well known alliance and can build a bs in a few hours. So you can see that when a number of the most active, experienced and core members up and leave in the middle of one of the biggest crises we've faced it hit quite hard. There was no consultation, no defining a goal, nothing to make us feel that you were, for example, leaving and pursuing an undercover war to the mutual benefit of 5punk. So yeah, we did take as a kick in the teeth at the time, even though it wasn't meant to be. Hence the immediate soul searching on this forum and restucturing of the corp - if people didn't like it, then something had to be changed. I guess part of my reticence lies in that I remain to be convinced that the cellular corp idea is going to be greater than a sum of the collective parts. All I can see is a steady weakening of the corp that I have worked so hard to build up over the last year.

Regardless of my personal feelings, as you rightly point out this is a game and people should do whatever they feel they enjoy most. Part of what I love about Eve so much is that it can get emotions running so high - it is simply that absorning. I like to have a goal and a purpose to what I do in Eve. Simply pew pewing in empire for the sake of PvP gets old real quick, which is why I put alot of effort into ISS - an entity that actually has a vision beyond the standard claim space, shoot my neigbour, sell an ETC, rinse and repeat. ISS is really exploring new avenues of game play which are fascinating - noone else before this has ever set up the online equivalent of a multinational publicly owned mega corporation that transcends territorial boundaries. That is where we're going, and it's a real challenge given that most alliances unimaginatively go with Option 1.

Ramble ends

[Dolly Parton]

Fear - I'm not pissed off. I asked for a candid opinion and you were good enough to give one, so thanks for that, but allow we to be candid in return. I know you guys left with the best intentions, but please spare a thought for the situation that I (and Fea) are in. It may go some way to explaining why I get a bit defensive...it's nothing personal.

We run 5punkorp. I have a ridiculously over developed sense of loyalty to the people in 5punk and have put considerable effort into growing and maturing the corp over the last year. When I joined we were mining ore in Osvestmunur because we were unable to face the low sec gankers in Fru. We built Wiggy his first Apoc - that took us almost a week. Now we have nearly 2 billion isk in the corp wallet, a freighter, a carrier, a 3 POS's, a respectable position in a well known alliance and can build a bs in a few hours. So you can see that when a number of the most active, experienced and core members up and leave in the middle of one of the biggest crises we've faced it hit quite hard. There was no consultation, no defining a goal, nothing to make us feel that you were, for example, leaving and pursuing an undercover war to the mutual benefit of 5punk. So yeah, we did take as a kick in the teeth at the time, even though it wasn't meant to be. Hence the immediate soul searching on this forum and restucturing of the corp - if people didn't like it, then something had to be changed. I guess part of my reticence lies in that I remain to be convinced that the cellular corp idea is going to be greater than a sum of the collective parts. All I can see is a steady weakening of the corp that I have worked so hard to build up over the last year.

Regardless of my personal feelings, as you rightly point out this is a game and people should do whatever they feel they enjoy most. Part of what I love about Eve so much is that it can get emotions running so high - it is simply that absorning. I like to have a goal and a purpose to what I do in Eve. Simply pew pewing in empire for the sake of PvP gets old real quick, which is why I put alot of effort into ISS - an entity that actually has a vision beyond the standard claim space, shoot my neigbour, sell an ETC, rinse and repeat. ISS is really exploring new avenues of game play which are fascinating - noone else before this has ever set up the online equivalent of a multinational publicly owned mega corporation that transcends territorial boundaries. That is where we're going, and it's a real challenge given that most alliances unimaginatively go with Option 1.

Ramble ends

Friz you couldn't get rid of me even if you wanted too.

DP

[Fear]

My rant a few posts up there ^ wasn't aimed at forums posts, just my feelers were picking up a bit of 'attitude' in other places. Probably wrongly. All the posts on the forums are good, I have no problems with differing opinions at all. In fact I encourage them.

I think it is good you defend the corp/alliance as you do. If every corp/alliance had members with as much passion as you, or indeed most of 5punk have, then they would be much better off.

I'll just be the annoying twat that every now and then issues a reality check.

It would be much worse if you couldn't defend my ramblings.

No harm done.

[amblin]

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[Fear]

It should have been "t-w-a-t"

[fabyak]

It should have been "t-w-a-t"

twat? That's quite some typo you've managed there

[bomberesque]

as in " wow what a twat "

[amblin]

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[friznit]

Gotta love 5punk. When you're own b3tard mind filters fail to kick in and add fluff, the fukcin' board goes and does it for you