IMPORTANT OP! Thursday 1930

friznit · Post by **friznit** » January 18th, 2007, 9:19

We're planning to break a bunch of freighters out of Tycho at 1930. This includes one belonging to our very own Trademaster. Several things we can achieve here:

Rescue a corp freighter
Clear out the corp hangars
Remove some stuff from the POS's if time.

Can someone please contact Trademaster via evemail about this. Copy to Quin and DP would probably help.

Thanks.

bomberesque · Post by **bomberesque** » January 18th, 2007, 9:36

OK, I shuold be there, but I'm restricted as to what I can field. The domi is uninsured atm so I'd need to get it into a station before putting it in the line of fire as such, otherwise there are several fitted and loaded out frigates still in tycho corp hangar.

I assume that this OP won't be posted one the <strike>IAC</strike>ISS forum...

/edit; oh, and don't forget Chongus and his mates...

eRabbit · Post by **eRabbit** » January 18th, 2007, 12:05

I'm at work till 9pm

Trademaster · Post by **Trademaster** » January 18th, 2007, 16:57

Got the message, and I will be there...

Just taking off work in the morning, and a little extended lunch period.

I will log in early to clear out the corp hanger of anything by 1900 -- if not sooner. So if you have any last minute stuff to move, let me know or put it in the hanger.

Thanks for everyone whom can assist.

-TM

Miro Mishu · Post by **Miro Mishu** » January 19th, 2007, 2:01

Oh, I am livid... I wasn't even there and i'm pissed off about how things went down..

And if the sticked post on the iss military forum is regarding this op today, I will just unload on them. I feel sorry for TM and the others who had to wait around with their diick in their hands while the mgt had their thumb up their arses. And for the people who went off on TM for speaking up, they best hope I never get their names lest I aim the cannon in their direction....

-Miro

Dolly Parton · Post by **Dolly Parton** » January 19th, 2007, 2:21

Miro Mishu wrote:Oh, I am livid... I wasn't even there and i'm pissed off about how things went down..

And if the sticked post on the iss military forum is regarding this op today, I will just unload on them. I feel sorry for TM and the others who had to wait around with their diick in their hands while the mgt had their thumb up their arses. And for the people who went off on TM for speaking up, they best hope I never get their names lest I aim the cannon in their direction....

-Miro

that *10

friznit · Post by **friznit** » January 19th, 2007, 8:51

For once management isn't to blaim on this one. It was the Fleet Commander who made a call. He was under the impression that the op was hopelessly comprimised - and narf likely not from TM's slip since we're riddled with spies anyway. Upshot was that SoD were camping the 2J gate in ZX for hours which they very rarely do.

As it is, the newly appointed ISSN Transport Director who was put in place to ensure these freighter ops happen has just resigned in disgust after last night. There are 4 freighters stranded in Tycho now.

Miro Mishu · Post by **Miro Mishu** » January 19th, 2007, 14:47

Well the fleet commander should:

Tell the freighters to gang up..
Not leave them hanging for 4hrs..
Tell them it's over when he decided to make the call so they don't stand around looking like idiots..

And for God's sake, the damn fleet was never gonna make it down anyhow. The fleet was 15+ jumps out from the minute the whole op was supposed to form up. If *ANY* of this is TM's fault i fail to see how.

I stand behind what he did and how he reacted ESPECIALLY after he went thru levels of mgt. to try to get a straight answer. And if anyone tells me "its a need to know thing", the fact he had a loaded freighter to move made it his right to know. Period.

Friz, copy this and make sure it gets to people who need to see this please, as I don't have access to forums where my rants would make a difference.

Oh, and as for the contact who resigned after this yesterday: Super childish. Freighter Ops are possible the hardest thing to plan in this damn game, combined with the fact that billions of assests are on the line too. He should have known this and not struck out on the first pitch..

-Miro

bomberesque · Post by **bomberesque** » January 19th, 2007, 14:58

It's not without a sense of irony that I refrain from posting intel to the intel channel....

Whatever. Cleaning out the spies is something we have to deal with (if we can) but for now, we're riddled with them.

Situation is we have stranded freighters at Tycho. Should be no big. Worst case is we leave them there until things have calmed down a little then go get them, with neut alts if necessary (hell, by the pilots leaving alliance temporarily if it comes to that). A problem might arise if SoD decide to actually keep the outpost as their new base and close it to neutral traffic. Then the pilots will need to leave JCs there and we will have one chance to get them out, which we will have to do by horse.

Actually something just struck me. There's been talk on ISS that SoD are in reality IAC's militia. That would offer the possibility that SoD won't have to carebear their own outpost, coz IAC might actually do it for them. Of course it would also mean that SoD would need to stop actively pirating or no-one would use IAC's "public" outposts, which seems unlikely

Anyway, I think it was the right decision to can the op, much better than mourning over multiple lost freighters.

Miro Mishu · Post by **Miro Mishu** » January 19th, 2007, 15:12

Canning the op isnt the issue, I understand that a decision had to be made..

I'm pissed that they kept the focal point of the whole op (the freighter pilots) in the dark EVEN after it was cancelled. And when one of the pilots spoke up in public after exhausting his channels in private they bit his head off in provdef (somthing about two wrongs dont make a right blah blah).

Meh, off to work.. I'll check in in and hour.

-Miro

friznit · Post by **friznit** » January 19th, 2007, 15:18

Miro - trust me, all the ranting has been done on the relevent forums already. You're not the only one making your displeasure felt. And you quite right in saying TM needed to know - that's why I told him! Look, TM's 'slip' is no biggy and noone really cares that much. That op was compromised one way or the other and so didn't happen. There are some other points that need sorting out, like leaving the freighter pilots waiting all night, and these are being dealt with.

I'd caution who you label 'super childish' until you know the full story though - this guy has 2 years experience running logistics for the alliance. Anyway, we are where we are and we need to get a freighter out of Tycho sometime. It's still very much on the agenda for Command to deal with.

bomberesque · Post by **bomberesque** » January 19th, 2007, 15:18

I must agree I don't understand why the freighter pilots themselves weren't in the loop.

friznit · Post by **friznit** » January 19th, 2007, 15:31

bomberesque wrote:I must agree I don't understand why the freighter pilots themselves weren't in the loop.

They were. Insofar as they knew when the op was due to start

Miro Mishu · Post by **Miro Mishu** » January 19th, 2007, 15:55

Until I know who it is I will continue to label the person as such. (And that's just my opinion as a little fish). Even if the guy has 2years expierence then he should know what hes getting into and not quit after the first snag he expierences. That, my friend is super childish, whoever you are.

I work with people and in management every day. You don't say you're gonna do somthing and then when the going gets tough, ..take your ball and go home, especially as the example to others who are looking up to you (For guidence and as an example to your peers). It was selfish.

Meh, end result is our freighter is still stranded along with others. I don't have anything in Tycho that won't sell there and if worst comes to worst we sell the Fenrir in station and buy another either in calico or empire.

I am about done with this cause there is nothing more to say. You know my viewpoint.

-Miro