Revelations: What to do with the new stuff?

friznit · Post by **friznit** » November 30th, 2006, 10:23

Fea ... PvP

Yeah, and alt could salvage quite happily

amblin · Post by **amblin** » November 30th, 2006, 10:54

Post by **fabyak** » November 30th, 2006, 11:26

I'll probably be in Heimatar until tomorrow morning some time so if you have requests, stick your orders in and ill drag them down to Khank.

(I'm only in a shuttle so only skill books please, and keep the orders of dancing girls for another time...

I'll bring a load of salvaging skill books down anyway, those that aren't needed ill stick on the market for an extorsionate price

Miro Mishu · Post by **Miro Mishu** » November 30th, 2006, 11:43

So, invention has a chance of failing?

I haven't read that anywhere. All i've come up with is that it's a true effort to aquire the mats needed to meet the 'invention' requirements. I figure it'd be like any manufacturing where you just click the button ..wait the time... then have a t2- BPO (Yes i just invented the term t2- ..as the invented BP is a shell of the real thing, however the end result is a working ship).

At any rate, I have finished training Quantum physics lvl1 and working on lvl2, then i will hit up the agent and start RnD'ing it.

Does anyone know if ..when you raise your 'caldari starship engineering' skill, for example ..your agent will automatically increase his RP/Day? I most certainly hope so.

Miro/Lara

PS. About finding R&D agents, i went to the eve-o forums and searched for 'R&D' ..there is a post at the top of the findings from 2004 titled 'R&D corp. list' ..it has every RnD corp for every faction ..and their specialties (What skill you need to make em work and if you have more then one skill that a particular agent offers, then you get to choose). I then searched for that particular corp. name in the people and places tab ingame and zero'd in on agents.

I'm working with Caldari Lai Dai and Iskudene (sp.).

ta.

Dolly Parton · Post by **Dolly Parton** » November 30th, 2006, 13:55

Miro Mishu wrote:Alright.. I did some homework today and:

I started 2 R&D agents at lvl2 earning me just under 50 RP's a day for caldari starship engineering.

What this means to you: I have entered into the most sought after competitive field for R&D. I will be also entering into Quantum Physics when I train it up a few along with getting more Agents. (1 per lvl of Research Management + 1 base just for playing the game.)

So if everything i've read is true.. BPO's are given out thru a lottery based system. Each RP you have gets you an entry into the lottery. As an example I will have 100 RP's between two agents after today. If they were to give out a thousand Nighthawk BPO's tomorrow I would have 100 chances to win it. This competes with *everyone* else who is researching the same skill as me and at the same skill level (i compete against people who are using lvl2 agents.) So my chances are slim to none, as people have a gazillion RP's and its only gonna rise. Now realistically, the nighthawk is only going to be available to lvl4 agents, but for sake of simplicity i used it as an example.

So.. I plan on running 2 Caldari Starship Engineering @lvl2 and two Quantum Physics @lvl2 then running missions for those 4 agents and earning enough to get to a lvl3 agent, then running missions for him to get to lvl4. Once at level 4 I will be cancelling 1-2 of my lvl2 agents and re-assigning to a lvl4 agent.

The terrible thing is: if you cancel the agent you lose ALL RP's earned thru him.

Anyhow, i'm spreading out my fields of research a bit due to the fact that the most popular choice (caldari starship eng) has the least chance of getting somthing whereas Quantum Physics is less popular and yeilds a higher chance of getting somthing due to less demand and people acutally doing the skill.

kenny has all of those skills plus more for the R&D, thought they were needed for production so bought and trained them all. if you want skills like quantum etc ... go to gmlh pos and look in skills section there are extras there right now for the taking. if u would like to donate to dolly for what u take that would be nice but it is not necessary just take what u like

dp

Miro Mishu · Post by **Miro Mishu** » November 30th, 2006, 14:13

If you could get me a list that would rock

AFAIK, i don't have access to look in the skills sections of anything yet..

I only have the starship skills and quantum physics. If there are other skills you have their i'll take em. Just figure a price thx!

Miro/Lara

centerededgedesign

On the note of rig production, Dres got a donation from a past Fw4pper/5punker and bought a set of electronic rig bpo's last night. Johnny is going to skill up to research them and get into some easy production that will make some generally handy rigs, (maybe for sale, maybe for corp use, have to see).

But yes, we should all be salvaging like crazy whilst ratting! Those goodies are probably going to be sellable too as the market gets going on rigs. More isk ftw!

Lee · Post by **Lee** » November 30th, 2006, 14:58

centerededgedesign wrote:On the note of rig production, Dres got a donation from a past Fw4pper/5punker and bought a set of electronic rig bpo's last night. Johnny is going to skill up to research them and get into some easy production that will make some generally handy rigs, (maybe for sale, maybe for corp use, have to see).

But yes, we should all be salvaging like crazy whilst ratting! Those goodies are probably going to be sellable too as the market gets going on rigs. More isk ftw!

Easy production? pff. From what I've heard if you salvage from NPCs it'll take you days to get enough parts to make one rig, you get 1 or 2 salvage parts per NPC and they need around 300.

CCP really need to fix this or no one will bother making them, their build reqs need lowered by alot and the salvaging amounts need increased.

friznit · Post by **friznit** » November 30th, 2006, 15:13

Lee wrote:
Easy production? pff. From what I've heard if you salvage from NPCs it'll take you days to get enough parts to make one rig, you get 1 or 2 salvage parts per NPC and they need around 300.

CCP really need to fix this or no one will bother making them, their build reqs need lowered by alot and the salvaging amounts need increased.

Except they need to make them hard enough to build in order to keep the economy going. If they're too easy to make, then everyone can do it and they'll be worth next to nothing. I'd expect a lively trade in the parts as well (same as people trade in minerals - not everyone builds ships). Remember that only the rigger needs to have the skills to fit them - the pilot doesn't. Once a ship is rigged, it can be sold on contract for anyone to fly and only loses the rigs if it's repackaged.

centerededgedesign

True, it takes alot to build them, but comparative to the other rigs, they're on the easy end! I'm wondering if skills and better salvagers will get more bits and bobs out of wrecks?

Tis a new thing, it will take some tweaking and balancing to make it work. At least the bpo's were cheap!

Lee · Post by **Lee** » November 30th, 2006, 15:21

friznit wrote:Except they need to make them hard enough to build in order to keep the economy going. If they're too easy to make, then everyone can do it and they'll be worth next to nothing. I'd expect a lively trade in the parts as well (same as people trade in minerals - not everyone builds ships). Remember that only the rigger needs to have the skills to fit them - the pilot doesn't. Once a ship is rigged, it can be sold on contract for anyone to fly and only loses the rigs if it's repackaged.

They also have to be easy enough to make that people will bother, right now they arent, there still isnt any rigs on the market and theres barely any materials on the market. What little materials do end up on the market get sold for 20 mil, that would mean a single rig would cost 6 billion isk to make.

They're not intended to cost much, the most expensive rig bpos seem to go for around 5 mil but right now the effort to reward ratio is completely messed up so no one will bother.

Post by **fabyak** » December 1st, 2006, 8:56

ok, there are now 9 Salvaging skillbooks and 20 Jury rigging skill books in the corp hanger in Khank.

They cost as follows
Jury rigging: 54914
salvaging 915239

If you take one please transfer the money for these to me (fabulousdancingyak) as i'm not making any profit from those ones

(unlike the ones that have appeared on the market which, if it works out, will net me a shed load of cash

)

friznit · Post by **friznit** » December 1st, 2006, 11:46

Signal Distortion Amp

(You can safely ignore this - I'm at work and this is just reminding me to buy up some and possibly a BPO as well when I get home later)

Post by **fabyak** » December 1st, 2006, 11:51

consider it ignored

Also we run out of either of the skill books in the hanger and you need one, drop me a note and ill drag one off my sell order