A little reminder...

Post by **Dog Pants** » November 28th, 2006, 8:14

I've waited until this morning to post this in order to separate my BEEF rage from my genuine disappointment. Last night I saw the worst case of smack talking, base raping and general abuse of our BEEF server I've seen to date. I'd like to remind everyone that 5punk is supposed to be a place where we can encourage gamers to play in a friendly and mature manner. In every other game this is no problem, and we even occasionally attract randoms who go on to become valued 5punkers, but I feel like I'm fighting a constant struggle in BEEF to keep things fluffy.

Basically guys, our BEEF servers is not your personal playpen to pick on randoms. I suggest you re-read the rules and try to adhere to them in order to provide an example to others.

Woo Elephant Yeah · Post by **Woo Elephant Yeah** » November 28th, 2006, 8:57

Obviously I wasn't there to see what happened, and I also haven't donated towards running this server.

However, I have noticed this last week, and speaking from a 5punk point of view, Dog Pants is absolutely right, the whole ethos of 5punk is being forgotten by regular Beef'ers, and you have to rmeember, it's just a game.

Go and have fun shooting each other, not shouting at each other, and punishing randoms for minimal things.

Remember, when you have Beef Rage, just think of a picture of kittens in a basket

Gunslinger42 · Post by **Gunslinger42** » November 28th, 2006, 9:18

Yeah, last night was particularly RAGE'D. I blame that jet whore guy.
Anyway, I was trying not to base rape... I just like running into the enemy base and stealing as much as I can then abandoning it a couple hundred feet away, if I have to kill a few people who are in my way to do that, well...

Post by **Dog Pants** » November 28th, 2006, 10:08

That map is pretty easy to get into baseraping I have to admit, but in that round we halved the number of people on the server. That ain't good. It wasn't just vehicle stealing though (which I would say is okay if you're specops and you've been taking out strategic targets), the chopper was killed as soon as it spawned, there were APCs firing into the base and there was arty on the base. Previous to that there was all the smacktalk - I know we all call people cunts when we have the rage but it was a lot worse than usual last night.

After all my criticism though I have to mention that I was pleased by how restrained people were with the warnings and kicks. People were given fair warning through chat, then admin, then kicked - as it should be. The jet whore guy wasn't technically doing anything wrong, he was just good at flying jets, so quite rightly we changed to a map with no jets and he left and allowed us to play in peace.

MIkkyo · Post by **MIkkyo** » November 28th, 2006, 10:46

Come join me on 2142 and other peoples servers, I don't get the rage half as much. Mrs mikkyo has noticed this only happens now when someone spots me sneeking up on them after the dog tags.

Anyone looked into how much it would cost us to run a 2142 server yet?

spoodie · Post by **spoodie** » November 28th, 2006, 11:16

I joined late and it wasn't much fun playing on either the winning 5punk side or the losing random's side. If there's no challenge or you're getting completely pwned it gets boring very quickly IMO.

As far as I'm concerned only spec ops should enter the un-capable base area and only to attack commander resources. If the teams are equally matched stealing a vehicle would be excusable but stealing valuable vehicles from a team that's losing badly is not fair play.

edit:

Woo Elephant Yeah wrote:Remember, when you have Beef Rage, just think of a picture of kittens in a basket

Post by **Dr. kitteny berk** » November 28th, 2006, 11:29

can i just say that if you're getting that much rage on a map, either leave the game, or suggest a map change on teamspeak.

that way you get a fresh start on a new map with both teams having an equal chance to not get assfucked again

Post by **Dog Pants** » November 28th, 2006, 12:01

I did, but this isn't about rage it's about our server rules seeming not to apply to us. BEEF rage is funny, last night wasn't.

mrbobbins · Post by **mrbobbins** » November 28th, 2006, 13:26

Beef is a many RAGE'd beast.

It is hard to remain impartial sometimes when someone is doing something completely legal but pwning your ass.

I would also like to say, keep teams balanced, being annihlated every single round doesn't exactly make you want to stay on the server.

Post by **Dr. kitteny berk** » November 28th, 2006, 13:35

mrbobbins wrote:I would also like to say, keep teams balanced, being annihlated every single round doesn't exactly make you want to stay on the server.

That

Remember, we're playing to have fun and we want people on our servers to have fun.

what map was it on btw? (i'm assuming fushe or dragon)

Post by **Dog Pants** » November 28th, 2006, 13:48

'Twas Fushe IIRC. The rage was running high last night due to a combination of randoms jet-whoring or being completely incompetent on Oman, so much smack-talk (admittedly some of it justified) ensued, and when Fushe came on (to put off the jet-whores) one side got pushed back to the uncap almost straight away. All well and good - if one team is better then they can expect to win. But when a team that's 80% 5punkers is breaking most of our rules just for a laugh and so they can 'pwn noobs' then I think it's gone too far. I did change the map once it became clear it was brutally one sided, but by that point there was only a handful of randoms left and to be honest it'd pissed me off enough to quit.

I don't expect it would have bothered me as much had I not been the one on the recieving end, but I've been slapped about in every game I've played and it's never provoked this reaction. Like I said in the first post, people should feel at home on our server and should enjoy playing. Having the admins cheating just for kicks doesn't create that feeling.

Post by **Dr. kitteny berk** » November 28th, 2006, 13:55

Yup, sounds like the suck.

Everyone playing last night, read the rules and consider yourselves warned.

Fear · Post by **Fear** » November 28th, 2006, 14:47

I've seen the same happen on some of my servers. I introduced a rule that clans or organised groups are welcome to come swamp the server - but they must spread out between the teams. They either leave or spread out and then fun follows. And clan/group that swamps a single team on anything I run gets warned then booted. Seems to work quite well. I actually enjoy going against freinds and getting a teabag or two in.

As for Jets, if you get 2 people on AA you can always take them down - it just takes a bit of coordination. If you can't take them down they are really forced to back off. Either way jet whore gets bored. Don't sit on the AA until you are out of the jets FOV - you will get gunned and die.

Beef is one of those games that you have to be wining for it to be fun - this is best done by going between flags and taking them from the enemy (while they are doing the same to you) rinse and repeat. It gets boring if you get pinned in.

Gunslinger42 · Post by **Gunslinger42** » November 28th, 2006, 14:57

mrbobbins wrote:I would also like to say, keep teams balanced, being annihlated every single round doesn't exactly make you want to stay on the server.

Teh 5punk Squad Unco-ordinated Attacks are too much for many opposing teams.

As well as having nine players on one team and one on the other, which happened last night on kharkand just before I left. Everything was going fine, about 8 people on a team and we were just running around capturing flags, then all of a sudden the entire US team bar one left. =/

The problem with base rape only really occurs if one team get pushed back to their uncap. If it's the carrier it's not too bad because no one really bothers trying to get to it, but if it's a normal flag like it is on Fushe Pass or Dragon Valley it can get messy. No one wants to just sit on their hands and wait for the other team to get their shit together, and likewise no one wants anyone base raping or spawn camping.

Woo Elephant Yeah · Post by **Woo Elephant Yeah** » November 28th, 2006, 15:03

I say we add something that automatically swaps Gunslinger onto the losign team to even things out a bit

Sandwich · Post by **Sandwich** » November 28th, 2006, 16:40

Woo Elephant Yeah wrote:I say we add something that automatically gives everyone BF2142 instead of dirty beef (aka BF2)

what a great idea, wish i'd thought of that

Chickenz · Post by **Chickenz** » November 28th, 2006, 17:38

I feel dirty now

the jet whoring didnt bother me too much as i generally stay the out of tanks and apcs, it was the incompetent clan retards that continued to TK me whenever i requeste supplies that pissed me off.

Post by **Roman Totale** » November 28th, 2006, 17:58

M4niachicken wrote:it was the incompetent clan retards that continued to TK me

Did they have you on TeamSpeak?

Post by **deject** » November 28th, 2006, 17:58

I really just hate doing nothing because the enemy is 100% shit. I mean even with 2 of our 8 man team dicking about in the chopper, barely killing anything before crashing (until I got my shit together at least) we managed to capture every flag within 5 minutes. I understand that spawn raping is not fun for the rape-ees, but you can't really blame us for the team not being able to capture a single flag. On a map that big, guys can easily break out in any number of vehicles.

Also, I'm not saying this trumps the current ruleset, but I think everyone should re-read this thread:
http://5punk.co.uk/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=3250

And for the record, I did ask "Wait so are we ignoring our rules and baseraping?" and no one bothered to say (or it may just be I didn't hear them say) "No don't do that," not even the 5punkers on the losing team.

Post by **Dog Pants** » November 28th, 2006, 18:46

deject wrote:I really just hate doing nothing because the enemy is 100% shit. I mean even with 2 of our 8 man team dicking about in the chopper, barely killing anything before crashing (until I got my shit together at least) we managed to capture every flag within 5 minutes. I understand that spawn raping is not fun for the rape-ees, but you can't really blame us for the team not being able to capture a single flag. On a map that big, guys can easily break out in any number of vehicles.

Also, I'm not saying this trumps the current ruleset, but I think everyone should re-read this thread:
http://5punk.co.uk/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=3250

And for the record, I did ask "Wait so are we ignoring our rules and baseraping?" and no one bothered to say (or it may just be I didn't hear them say) "No don't do that," not even the 5punkers on the losing team.

That's a fair argument - the original thread says if the opposing team is so bad as to be pwnd back to their uncap then baseraping them is fine, but I don't think that made the final draft. I appreciate that Fushe is a difficult line to draw with baseraping too. And I do remember you asking, but firstly I thought it was pretty obvious that's what was happening, secondly I'd already commented on somebody TVing our attack chopper whenever it spawned, and thirdly I was already in the process of changing maps.

I imagine last night was caused by individuals getting bored and pushing the boundaries a bit that led to a cumulative effect rather than a conscious team effort to grief, but we probably need to be a bit more conscious of losing half the players on our server because the other team gets pissed off and leaves. Pity there isn't a team shuffle option.