Corp Long Term Goal

friznit · Post by **friznit** » September 22nd, 2006, 13:08

We all need medium and long term goal that drive us forward. Current goals are as this:

1. Expand corp membership with good quality, well trained pilots.

2. Provide a steady income for the corp (approx 1bill per month).

3. Acquire a carrier for 5punkorp and an empire freighter for Fw4ppers.

4. Provide battleship class or equivalent value ships to corp members for free.

All the things we have in place, such as the POS chain, Office in Tycho, mining ops etc are to facilitate these goals. Equally importantly, they enable us as individuals to have fun and give us the opportunity for personal enrichment through mining, ratting, manufacturing, PvP or whatever floats your boat.

Now, if anyone disagrees with these goals, or agrees but would like things to be done differently, or even thinks we're nuts and should be sitting in Elgoi mining veld, then please speak up here with your thoughts. Think I might even make a poll.

Post by **fabyak** » September 22nd, 2006, 13:15

I wanna declare werd as well please!

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I propose we assign a few alts to POS upkeep duty. I've recently crafted one to leave at the Fw4ppers POS, (but I'm recycling him, he's ugly), why not do that for the others? I know we'd need to move fuels and such regularly, but we can move a real player down for that. Hell, we could probably make a bimonthly 'trial' account of toons for community use even.

I think the current system isn't completely borked. New Fw4ppers are coming on board with POS experience, understanding how to haul and it's importance. Yeah, the Fernite price and market is a pain atm, but we'll survive it intact. I also believe that the carrier and freighter will really expand our opportunities. (Monthly can haul to Tycho?) and simply trading in Empire with that amount of space will make a huge amount of isk. (Buying selling trash for 1 isk gain per unit, x that many units... OMG!!!)

We just need to band together for a bit of fun from time to time, (imvho) to remember what 5punking is all about. Which, iirc, is to have fun and help out when you can, which is what we do best!

friznit · Post by **friznit** » September 22nd, 2006, 13:57

Are there any other ways of making sufficient isk for our needs without running a POS chain? Do we really want a POS in 0.0? If so, does ISS best serve out interests at the moment? Should we be buying capital ships? Ideas and suggestions a Stamped Adressed Aadvark please

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I think the POS chain is the best method of ISK gain we can routinely do as a corp. It allows primarily 'seperate' support, with only semi-regular joint effort required (freighter runs). Otherwise, we just don't have schedules that allow for massive DS runs, or Massive Mining Mayhem in 0.0 with dozens of barges ripping roids into their holds. Could we do those things? I belive yes, if we have more members. We all know you can't take on a 6/10 with only two people. Two dozen, and we could eat them for tea.

But the POS chain does take some work. Some people don't want to partake, it is the 5punky way to not horse people, but tis also the 5punky way to help out when needed. The POS chain fulfills a need, but allows flexibility for individuals to do as they please.

Vote for the POS's, don't let the forests die!!!

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Post by **FatherJack** » September 22nd, 2006, 14:45

With option 2, if a percentage of personal earnings was taken to run the POS - would we see a return on that?

I appreciate that it only runs at all, never mind at a profit because people actually work to keep it stocked and that those people are far more deserving of reparations than people like me who are too scared to go anywhere they might get their paint scratched.

I ask more out of curiosity than actually wanting the ISK - having a small investment in it which reports its progress to me periodically would make me feel more connected with it, whereas now it doesn't really have any relevance to me. I'm not saying we should get rid of them, only that I wouldn't actually notice if you did.

I did try a bit of mining with my alt the other day - not in Elgoi, though - too dangerous. In Hulm.

friznit · Post by **friznit** » September 22nd, 2006, 15:20

FatherJack wrote:With option 2, if a percentage of personal earnings was taken to run the POS - would we see a return on that?

No, a single POS is basically an isk sink. We currently run four, and make around 600 - 800mill per month, which is the kinda isk you need to pay for freighters and carriers etc. There are problems - like it's hard work actually selling the stuff, and hauling it to the point of sale is equally hard (e.g. we've got an outstanding order to fulfil for 500k units which isn't gonna transport itself!). But I firmly believe that corp activity should in no way impinge on people's personal wallet - hence zero tax and the need to have a profitable enterprise (or none at all). In some ways I find it encouraging that those who are not interested in the POS stuff don't notice it at all.

Ultimately of course, the isk made will be paid back to corp members (See Goal #4). But it's all taking longer than I originally had hoped (markets havn't helped any there).

centerededgedesign

friznit wrote: We currently run four, and make around 600 - 800mill per month,

Note, that is NET profit!

And yes, people that don't spend time in 0.0 hauling fuel/reactable materials about don't notice anything from the POS's now, but in the future when BS's are being built for corp ships, everyone will benefit from the work of those that do support them.

I know the corp has always been against taxes of any sort, but I wonder if there is dissent from anyone regarding the distribution of work/benefits from that work. A small tax rate (.5%) would put some funds into the corp coffers to cover some of the things that we all benefit from (offices and corp hangars to restock/fit from) and better fitted mates to help when help is needed. For each of us to stock a reserve of goodies like the corp hangars provide would be impractical. I had thought of dues, to help keep a steady stream of income to the corp, but then we'd have to track people down to pay, boot non-payers, and create generally non-5punky sentiments. Whether some people realize it or not, there are benefits to being in 5punkorp, and they cost isk. So I feel it only reasonable that a little isk flow to the corp from the general populace, vs. a few members working hard to keep the office rents paid, towers topped off, selling the product we create and such.

The corp does alot for us, even if we don't have to work hard to realize it. Giving back would only help the corp do more.

Edit: That would be the equivalent of 5000 isk per million isk a player made. Who would miss 5000 isk to benefit the corp?

Jin · Post by **Jin** » September 22nd, 2006, 15:55

Being new to this part of EVE, I don't think I can offer any constructive comment as to how we go about achieving our corp aims. That said I know that as well as myself, daddi and Fear Not will soon be joining the 5punkorp ranks and if they're anything like me will be looking to ingratiate themselves by volunteering for the hauling jobs no-one else feels inclined to do (Fear has already indicated so elsewhere). So hopefully three new hauling bods makes it any easier to make the decisions about retaining the POS chain.

For my part I feel I would have missed out on a something if I didn't get the experience of working the POS chain, but since I don't know if that's a positive or negative experience....

I think this is now the longest post I've ever made to these forums and I'm now going up for air.

Akiakaiu · Post by **Akiakaiu** » September 22nd, 2006, 17:02

I voted we keep it as it is right now. I had a long post about it, but it died.

Anhamgrimmar · Post by **Anhamgrimmar** » September 22nd, 2006, 17:42

Personally, i like the idea of a small taxrate. purely because of people like me, who tend to missionwhore* as opposed to run up and down the pipe with fuel, to feel like i'm doing something. there is also the fact that i'm a lazy cnut, and its difficult to horse me to do things (see also: yearly fitness test, going to gym, not eating that pie)

however, with the soon-to-be departure of he who must be shunned :-), i'm gonna start feeling really guilty about letting friz do all teh work, so you never know, you might start seeing me in a blockade runner.....

*i work on the principle of ME->My Korp->My Alliance. if i cant support myself, then i'm no use to the korp, and cant help my korp help teh alliance

Akiakaiu · Post by **Akiakaiu** » September 22nd, 2006, 18:00

Anhamgrimmar wrote:i'm gonna start feeling really guilty about letting friz do all teh work,

There are others who help out too. I've been trying to help out moving POS fuel in 0.0. But sometimes RL gets in the way. Or I plan on doing it and I log on and it's done. Thus is the life of one who's 5+ hours behind you all.

My main problem was what do I do out there when I'm not hauling fuel. Untill I had my mega out there ratting was fairly pointless. Go around the belts once, stop back at the POS a few times durring that for 800 boosters to feed my tank, finish one run, and be all out of boosters. Done for the night.

Yes I could hop in a frig and fly around, but that's not too much fun when you are the only one in a frig. I could join the fleet ops, but lag is not my ideaq of fun either. The smaller ops were fun, but then I also had a 5punker or 2 along for the fun.

I've spent more time in W9 with Dolly Parton then I have with fellow 5punkers. Yes I know our times are screwy, and we do do things when I'm on occasionally (last thing I've done with the corp was that freighter run for ISS-L, which, not that I'm complaining, I recieved no compensation. Before that was the uneventful run down the pipe.)

well I have to go in the field. o7

Anhamgrimmar · Post by **Anhamgrimmar** » September 22nd, 2006, 18:20

Akiakaiu wrote:I've been trying to help out moving POS fuel in 0.0....(/snip)

Sorry, didnt mean it to seem like friz does all the work, its just he's the one who moans loudest....j/k

oh, bugger, i forgot to actually vote on this as well

friznit · Post by **friznit** » September 22nd, 2006, 19:09

Guys, I'm trying desperately not to turn this into a 'OMG it's all going wrong, moan at the corp' thread. That's not my point at all - please don't see this as a knee jerk to Hulk going either, although I'd be lying to say that it wasn't precipitated by that in part.

As you may have gathered, I've been trying to 'open up' the inner workings of the corp to people: it was one of the major criticisms from the last time we had an inval (internal validation exercise) that many of you didn't know what was going on. I hope that my weekly sitreps and the posts I've made about the POS chain, and the politics etc down in Catch have gone some way to describing where we stand and why we do what we do. This is above all a democratic corp, and I want people to be behind it all the way. I'm a firm believer in loyalty and commitment to the team as a means to go forward together to greater things. However, not everyone may feel that we're going about our business properly, and I'm open to suggestion about how we might change things for the better.

I want this corp to work for you, not the other way round. That is, after all, the 5punky way

Post by **FatherJack** » September 22nd, 2006, 23:25

I'd be happy with up to 50% taxation - for the reason Anham mentioned about feeling you were doing something for the corp - even when mining/ratting/missioning alone in Empire.

All I'd want in return was a simple report on what our taxes had helped to acheive, not a leaderboard or anything, just something like "Corp Taxes bought us a week's worth of fuel"

I do appreciate the sitreps, though, and the last one was particularly good and perhaps because it was aimed at new recruits I could actually understand most of it.

eRabbit · Post by **eRabbit** » September 23rd, 2006, 11:02

I reckon keep as it currently is, it seems to be working well. I've not been amazingly active recently but I'll be in my nice shiny red ship of hauling anytime you need a hand.

friznit · Post by **friznit** » September 24th, 2006, 19:39

Having spoken to a number of people over the last few days about corp stuff, one thing that is clearly missing is a feeling of 'ownership' in the corp. We have a great bunch of people but there is a sort of 'them and us' thing going on I think...people who do all the corp stuff and then everyone else. I'd much rather people felt they owned a piece of the pie so to speak, and that each and everyone of us had a vested interest in the future of the corp and making it a functioning team.

Now, how to go about achieving this is a tricky one. You all know how we have shied away from taxes in the past, and have instead relied on voluntary donations or loans to keep things going. I have always believed that corp business should not be a drain on your personal wallet. Perhaps this is the very root of the problem? Bu then taxes are still a passive drain on your wallet.

I don't know how everyone feels about it. Maybe people could invest in an element of the corp itself (an internal corp IPO - by a share and get a return of the profits). Or we could run independent IPO type things for 5punkships, the POS chain, etc depending what people wanted to invest time in. The idea being that if you have isk sunk into it, then it's in your best interest to make that part of the corp more profitable, and hence you would feel more ownership of that area of corp business.

Thoughts?

amblin · Post by **amblin** » September 24th, 2006, 22:22

Hehulk · Post by **Hehulk** » September 27th, 2006, 6:37

For the interest of you crazy feckers

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Post by **fabyak** » September 27th, 2006, 7:48

ZOMG!

Don't forget 10% ISS discount too!

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