Eve Battle of the Egos: Berk vs Hulk (aka Comedy Grammar)

[Dr. kitteny berk]

yay free 5perm

[friznit]

Children, you're slowing down...need a breather? Hmmm


Berk, heard you don't like Eve because it required a mental age of more than 12 to understand how to play it?

Hey Hulk, have you ever actually played GW? I mean, ever?


*sits back to enjoy the show

[Dr. kitteny berk]

Children, you're slowing down...need a breather? Hmmm

I'll still trying to read hulk's last post.

Berk, heard you don't like Eve because it required a mental age of more than 12 to understand how to play it?

I just felt my time and money would be spent better on a healthy relationship with a real person. I was right.

That and i've played pretty much every elite clone since elite, and eve just didn't have any flying, not to mention the mining to fun ratio is well off.

[Hehulk]

Hey Hulk, have you ever actually played GW? I mean, ever?

Several hours on my Xfire profile, and quite a few more on various other machines. It's another generic hack and slash MMO imho.

[centerededgedesign]

I don't know if mining was designed to be fun, just profitable. That and a 'cheaper' means to get ships. It does offer opportunities within the game though. I find it a great way to make money while recruiting. Also, it's indispensable for getting cheap minerals to build ships with, thus reducing the 'cost' of said ships, and increasing profit margins. (the economics of MMO's fascinates me). The corporate hierchy keeps things 'busy' too, so mining gives me time to distribute corporate Evemail to my corp's members to help them grow and evolve the corp into something ever bigger and better. The skills progression keeps people active and always looking forward to that next shiny skill or 'thing' that they'll enjoy until they can do better.

The fact that all the players game in the same persistent world is a point I'll bring up again though, as we continue to evolve 5punkorp into an international juggernaut with all time zones covered heavily to defend our assets from international intergalactic onslaught.

[Hehulk]

I've played pretty much every elite clone since elite, and eve just didn't have any flying, not to mention the mining to fun ratio is well off.

Then, and this is going to seem silly, why didn't you ever bothing saying much more than Hi to us? Missions, ratting, piracy. Those would, in all likelyhood, have helped you enjoy the game a fair whack more then mining.

*Not a recruitment effort*

[friznit]

And I never said, or or intended to infered, that I think the eve game mechanics are broken

That should be 'imply'. Sorry, this has been bugging me for a while. You imply, the other party infers. So for example:

I'm not entirely certain what you are going to infer from my recent implication that Eve is better than Guild Wars. You implied that Eve was little more than an Elite clone; can I infer from that comment that you enjoyed Elite a great deal (which I might add didn't use a joystick either as I recall)?

Here endeth the lesson

[Fear]

Now, I am no MMO expert, and I have only been playing EVE for 2 weeks, and thought, yeah this is kinda ok, i'll have some more of this please....

it is especially good for me, as I work a lot from home, and can just pop in and out of it to make the day go slightly quicker.

GW has only one thing going for it - no subscription. That is out and out the best thing about that game. I've played it, i'm about 1/3 over the map on the post-seered world and I just got so bored with killing overgrown cockroaches *everywhere* I go. I couldn't do anything by myself as the NPCs were too strong to make it fun. In EVE it is refreshing to see combating NPCs an option, and single playing an option.

Like I said, I am no expert, I am just giving my opinion on why I think EVE is a good MMO and worth a little money.

I also know the latest version on Guild Wars has probably improved the game a lot. I don't think it could be as 'free' as EVE is tho, no matter what they did. Oh and in GW you can't meet up outside the cities! The worst thing ever, narf it hardly deserves the MMO title becuase of this. It is like a collection of chat rooms (one for each city) that you can walk aruond a bit in.

I also prefer SciFi over Fantasy - just my preference.

[Dr. kitteny berk]

I probably wasn't clear enough for some people.

EVE, IME. has a mining to fun ratio of about 5:1

5 hours of mining will buy you an hour of fun.

Then, and this is going to seem silly, why didn't you ever bothing saying much more than Hi to us? Missions, ratting, piracy. Those would, in all likelyhood, have helped you enjoy the game a fair whack more then mining.

I didn't really feel welcomed at all in your little hovel down there, despite my efforts to communicate with you, which also helped me along in not enjoying said game.

I really had no positive experiences throughout my EVE playing.

I'm not entirely certain what you are going to infer from my recent implication that Eve is better than Guild Wars. You implied that Eve was little more than an Elite clone; can I infer from that comment that you enjoyed Elite a great deal (which I might add didn't use a joystick either as I recall)?

That makes more sense by far. Yes, i did enjoy Elite (no joystick, but did support free flight) and have enjoyed a good number of the elite clones - *BUT* a big part of my enjoyment of all of them has been the flying/dogfighting.

[Hehulk]

http://i8.tinypic.com/24zbyhx.jpg

* Not a horse link

[Dr. kitteny berk]

http://i8.tinypic.com/24zbyhx.jpg

* Not a valid link

[Hehulk]

No Kidding. Can't seem to get any sources working.

Also, I resent the hovel statement. It's a pig sty, that we recently upgraded to have mud in it. That cost alot of isk.

[mrbobbins]

I liek ponys

http://www.deagostini.co.uk/ilovehorses/

[Roman Totale]

Ponies, like horses, eat grains and hay and grass, and especially enjoy a carrot or a sugar cube for a treat when they’ve been very good! Ponies need plenty of fresh water and a clean, dry place to sleep at night, and protection from the weather. Some ponies prefer standing outside rather than being in a stall or a shed, but it’s important that shelter be available for them if they need to get out of the cold wind in the winter or the hot sun in the summer.

[amblin]

I didn't really feel welcomed at all in your little hovel down there

I'm not going to join in with this conversation. Arguments over opinions can never be won easily.

However, that comment worries me Berk. Why didn't you feel welcome? When was this? Could we have done anything differently as 5punkers?

For me, the most important thing about my eve playing is to have fun and enable others to do so. For someone to not feel welcome is entirely different to just not liking the game and deciding not to continue playing.

I am asking for feedback here on the way we act as a community, not for feedback on the game.

Otherwise... Carry on!

[Dr. kitteny berk]

this was long ago (over a year ago)

There was very much a feeling of 5punk and the eve players.

I think it was partly because it was while eve was stable, just the usual 5 or so of you, so any newcomers had a great deal of trouble being useful or finding a position to fill. (given you'd all already got sorted like that)

[Joose]

blah blah EVE suxs LOL

Dude, you didnt like it, we get it. However, you not liking a game != Game is shit. Your main complaint about it seems to be the lack of free flight, but frankly, adding free flight to eve would be like adding manual control of chess pieces; completely retarded.

1) Dogfighting, such as is done by games like Elite, Freespace etc, is about skill, dexterity and reactions. Fighting in EVE is about using your brain, planning ahead, knowing what works with what. Its strategic, not a twitch fest.

2) If you made it so you actually have to physically point your ship in the right direction, it would distract from the managing of all the modules. Yes, initially the fighting is just target enemy-activate gun-wait till it goes pop, but when you get to the later stuff (not much later, mind) you have to manage your cap levels, know when to activate/deactivate armour and shield modules, know which of your guns to use, manage your EW stuff and loads of other things, all whilst co-ordinating your attack with your team mates. This all just wouldnt be possible if you also had to worry about what you are pointing at.

3)Just from a setting point of view, it would be fucking stupid. The ships are bloody huge, and, for the most part, not exactly nippy. Manually flying a carrier would be slow and dull. Slow and dull are not things that make me want to play a game more.

So no, giving it manual flight would not make it a better game. You dont like it because of that? Fine, play something else. Theres plenty of people who do like it.

Also, the server actually being a cluster of servers was a daft comment. You *know* what he meant, as did everyone else. EVE consistently breaks its own world records of people playing within one game world, and has done for years.

this was long ago (over a year ago)

There was very much a feeling of 5punk and the eve players.

I think it was partly because it was while eve was stable, just the usual 5 or so of you, so any newcomers had a great deal of trouble being useful or finding a position to fill. (given you'd all already got sorted like that)

Im sorry, but thats just rubbish. You started playing back when I was still playing, and as far as I remember you spent a few days bitching about the controls and gave it up. We were, at the time, welcoming everybody with open arms, and only two or three of us had been playing long enough to have any kind of skills worth having, so there *were* no real roles as such. Shit, when I *left* the game there was still no feeling of roles being filled. Some people were a bit better at stuff than others, but not so much that there was no space for others to join in.

The thing is, if you want the enjoyment of a persistant world, but dont want to be in Yet Another Fucking Fantasy Game, your choices are basically limited to EVE or something really, inarguably shit. If you can name me another Space based MMO involving bloody big ships that does the job better than EVE, Im all ears

[Dr. kitteny berk]

Im sorry, but thats just rubbish. You started playing back when I was still playing, and as far as I remember you spent a few days bitching about the controls and gave it up. We were, at the time, welcoming everybody with open arms, and only two or three of us had been playing long enough to have any kind of skills worth having, so there *were* no real roles as such. Shit, when I *left* the game there was still no feeling of roles being filled. Some people were a bit better at stuff than others, but not so much that there was no space for others to join in.

you are wrong. i've tried eve twice.

you are describing the first time.

The second time i paid for 2 months worth, put plenty of time into it and just decided against carrying on due to the likelyhood of me getting hooked (yes, i know) when i'd much rather be giving a mrs. berk the attention.

[Joose]

you are wrong. i've tried eve twice.

you are describing the first time.

ahh, fair enough. And the other points I made?

The second time i paid for 2 months worth, put plenty of time into it and just decided against carrying on due to the likelyhood of me getting hooked (yes, i know) when i'd much rather be giving a mrs. berk the attention.

I didn't really feel welcomed at all in your little hovel down there, despite my efforts to communicate with you, which also helped me along in not enjoying said game.

I really had no positive experiences throughout my EVE playing.

Hooray for consistency!

[Dr. kitteny berk]

i am consistent, i didn't enjoy it. the same way i don't enjoy being an alcoholic, but that doesn't mean i can stop


with eve, i didn't enjoy it, but i was quite ready to spend 6-8 months playing it. (seriously)

When i said it came down to a relationship or eve, i meant it.