New Pirate Bay to Be Based on Give-And-Take Models

News Reader · Post by **News Reader** » July 20th, 2009, 7:00

New Pirate Bay to Be Based on Give-And-Take Models
Does anyone seriously think this is going to work? Remember how much everyone loved Napster? Remember how much they liked it once it became a legit site? Yeah, that’s what is going to happen here too.

The more you give, the more you get. For the great majority, [the new service] will be free of charge, for a minority it will actually make them money, and for a small portion it will cost them. We know that unless we're able to create revenues for the filesharers they'll just move on to the next free site. Filesharers are our best friends.

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Baliame · Post by **Baliame** » July 20th, 2009, 10:16

And this is the lesser evil.

http://torrentfreak.com/new-pirate-bay- ... te-090716/

TPB is becoming a paysite. WTF.

Post by **Dog Pants** » July 20th, 2009, 10:23

Paying for something? The horror!

Baliame · Post by **Baliame** » July 20th, 2009, 10:24

It's not that I have to pay for something, I pretty often buy stuff I like, but the new owners managed to ruin TPB in three weeks.

Post by **Dog Pants** » July 20th, 2009, 10:41

I don't see the problem. I'm not a vehement anti-piracy lobbyist, in fact I think piracy is pretty harmless for the most part, but people really have no right to complain when an illegal service is removed. That they're going legit with a payed for service is neither here nor there. I'm confident it'll fail, because the people who used it did so because they didn't want to pay, and people who are content to pay won't use it.

Post by **FatherJack** » July 20th, 2009, 14:39

Some people think that ultimately piracy will win, that everything would be free within hours and that the RIAA etc should just give up trying to combat it. I perhaps would have thought this myself a year ago.

If that did occur, universally, we'd basically see the end of anyone producing anything decent - there'd be no money in it, all there would be was ad-sponsored crap and subscription-based online stuff. So, it's not harmless if left utterly unchecked.

But the RIAA or whoever seem to be catching up, getting the sites everyone's known about for years closed down and having high-profile cases of individuals fined huge sums in the headlines. Bully-boy tactics, but the law is on their side. Who wants to risk their life being ruined by a massive fine they can never pay off? I heard of two people here very recently that were silly enough to do it on work computers - they were arrested at work and haven't returned. Europeans aren't immune just because it's an American body.

Finding better ways to sell stuff is the way forward, and while I doubt this Pirate Bay venture will succeed, as their existing clients aren't the type to pay for anything, the RIAA dropping DRM is a step in the right direction.

The price for buying individual tracks from music sites isn't bank-breaking, but could be lower, but at least the days of buying an album where half the tracks suck are long gone. The biggest problem for me is finding the odd stuff that I like listening to.

Post by **Dog Pants** » July 21st, 2009, 10:25

Absolutely. Music is one step ahead of games with regards to online distribution and DRM. They also suffer problems with piracy, but they've realised that many people will prefer a legitimate download as long at isn't too expensive and is at least as easy as downloading a pirate copy.
I think some DRM is a good thing. Brave firms who ship with absolutely no copy protection might be making themselves good publicity, but the very basic is needed just to stop people giving copies to their mates. It will always be cracked, but a little basic stuff will mean people will have to go look for pirate versions and if the game, like with music, isn't too expensive and difficult to obtain then many will be happy to get it legitimately.

Hang on, there's another thread I've not read about DRM. I'll save the rest of my rant for there...

Post by **deject** » July 21st, 2009, 15:28

Dog Pants wrote:Absolutely. Music is one step ahead of games with regards to online distribution and DRM. They also suffer problems with piracy, but they've realised that many people will prefer a legitimate download as long at isn't too expensive and is at least as easy as downloading a pirate copy.

Buying an MP3 from Amazon is easier than pirating it. I know the ID3 tags are going to be correct, I can find more obscure artists easier and download the songs faste, and they're just MP3s, so they work anywhere.

Post by **Joose** » July 21st, 2009, 17:53

deject wrote:
Buying an MP3 from Amazon is easier than pirating it. I know the ID3 tags are going to be correct, I can find more obscure artists easier and download the songs faste, and they're just MP3s, so they work anywhere.

this is exactly what gaems are not doing, and why they are failing. Anti piracy is never going to work when it is based on making it harder to pirate things than not. Its only ever going to work when it is easier to not pirate than to pirate.

At the moment, I have the choice of going to the shops, buying a game on a disc, getting back home, hoping the on disc copy protection doesn't get upset with my set-up and refuse to work, and then keep putting the disc in the drive to play the game. Or I can download it for free, whenever I want to, slap on a no-cd crack and play.

The obvious exception to this is steam, where you have most of the advantages of pirating (get it when you want, not worry about where the disc is) with most of the advantages of not pirating (getting updates, not having to look for a crack, not worry about spyware and viruses). All this is probably why Steam is slowly taking over the world.

What games publishers don't seem to get yet is that the money aspect is often not what makes people pirate games. It's how much they can be arsed. I cant be arsed to go to the shops, or wait for deliveries from online stores, so almost all of my games now are downloaded. I prefer getting them legit, as I think the reasonably small amount of money is well worth the support and so on. But if I cant...well lets just say I don't tend to go to the shops as an alternative.

Post by **HereComesPete** » July 21st, 2009, 18:55

All of that. And all of that

too. If a system for purchasing, receiving and using games/dvds/cds/other meeja followed a steam platform I'd use it for everything.

I buy things on steam that cost more than a dvd box version because I don't want to wait and I like the convenience and usage of it. That's good skills from valve.

Post by **Dr. kitteny berk** » July 21st, 2009, 18:59

HereComesPete wrote: All of that. And all of that too. If a system for purchasing, receiving and using games/dvds/cds/other meeja followed a steam platform I'd use it for everything.

I buy things on steam that cost more than a dvd box version because I don't want to wait and I like the convenience and usage of it. That's good skills from valve.