LittleBigPlanet has global recall for Qur'an quote [News]

spoodie · Post by **spoodie** » October 21st, 2008, 12:47

On the subject of atheism: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7681914.stm

I can see this causing some pointless controversy.

/supplemental

Mr. Johnson · Post by **Mr. Johnson** » October 21st, 2008, 12:53

spoodie wrote:On the subject of atheism: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7681914.stm

I can see this causing some pointless controversy.

yup, diagnosis= Dick is correct.

amblin · Post by **amblin** » October 21st, 2008, 12:55

Fear · Post by **Fear** » October 21st, 2008, 13:38

I just enjoy watching everyone take offence.

Post by **HereComesPete** » October 21st, 2008, 14:36

"People don't like being preached at". Well yes, you're right, so stop it and let people make their own mind up.

I know I try and support all sides of any argument, but to defend the indefensible is a waste of my time! Atheism as a danger? Compared to religions and their obvious damage to society at this time atheism is the safe route (unless it's a fear style militant atheism

). We know it's extremists hijacking perfectly reasonable ideals for their own nefarious ends, but throw enough bombs in the name of allah of drop enough bombs in the name of god and all religion seems a bit shit.

If he offered intelligent argument then I'd accept his ideas, but his reasoning and rebuttal is written on sugar paper in crayon.

Fear · Post by **Fear** » October 21st, 2008, 15:01

I don't like to see an organisation of non-believers, such as atheism. It feels a bit like a religion to me.

Mr. Johnson · Post by **Mr. Johnson** » October 21st, 2008, 15:09

Fear wrote:I don't like to see an organisation of non-believers, such as atheism. It feels a bit like a religion to me.

i still don't have anything witty or clever to add to this thread, so i'll just go with

spoodie · Post by **spoodie** » October 21st, 2008, 15:12

Militant Agnostic: I don't know and you don't either!

Fear · Post by **Fear** » October 21st, 2008, 15:36

spoodie wrote:Militant Agnostic: I don't know and you don't either!

They are brilliant.

Mr. Johnson · Post by **Mr. Johnson** » October 21st, 2008, 15:53

from the news feeds

Gunslinger42 · Post by **Gunslinger42** » October 21st, 2008, 21:26

Mr. Johnson wrote:yup, diagnosis= Dick is correct.

Eh, I consider it less of a dick move than promoting any given religion (and telling people they'll burn in hell, like the site the ad it was in response to contained).

and more importantly it's funny

spoodie · Post by **spoodie** » October 21st, 2008, 22:19

Gunslinger42 wrote:Eh, I consider it less of a dick move than promoting any given religion (and telling people they'll burn in hell, like the site the ad it was in response to contained).

This is true, but being a "non-believer" I tend to felcher out this nonsense. Although if I think about it it's quite unnerving that some people do believe it.

Mr. Johnson · Post by **Mr. Johnson** » October 22nd, 2008, 9:57

Gunslinger42 wrote:
Eh, I consider it less of a dick move than promoting any given religion (and telling people they'll burn in hell, like the site the ad it was in response to contained).

and more importantly it's funny

Isn't telling people that there isn't a god and saying they shouldn't believe in anything the same thing?
Besides, while it's true that religion is promoted by wankers, it isn't necessarily a bad thing.

buzzmong · Post by **buzzmong** » October 22nd, 2008, 10:21

Pete, you're good at quotes, who wrote:

If god didn't exist, we'd have to invent him

or something similar?

The problem is not religion as such, while I'm not inclined to believe in a diety, and think the books are complete fiction, religion isn't too bad, the problem is the people who latch on to it, who don't even once think about anything they're told by their church or question what they read and take everything as a litteral meaning.

Those very same people would, if Atheism became the dominate thought system, wage a war Atheism's name against people who believed in religion purely because they didn't believe the same thing as them (ie, believing there is not a diety).

Those people also wouldn't be able to actually get atheism, they'd believe that there is no god, which is no different from believing there is (well, barring the fact the onus is on people and individuals which can be brought to account, rather than a cloud), and the whole point of atheism is not believing there is no god, it's about knowing there isn't a god as there is no proof to support claims there is.

Mr. Johnson · Post by **Mr. Johnson** » October 22nd, 2008, 10:29

buzzmong wrote:words

yup, i agree with this. That's all i have to say about this, due to lack of brain.

Post by **HereComesPete** » October 22nd, 2008, 12:11

It was voltaire. And I believe he was correct. As I see it we as a race latch onto certain ideas that suit our notions of the realities we inhabit. The way we interact with these ideas is necessarily different and thi sleads to conflict.

We'll never agree on a subject like this because it affects us all in a profound manner, and we're all fanatics to some extent, my view that everyone should be heard and understood is as rabid a view as any suicide bomber or evangelical preacher.

Heywod broun said that "nobody talks so constantly of god as those who insist there is no god" I think this points to atheism becoming a religious standpoint by it's very denial of the existence of deities.

Whether you agree with that idea or think that the idea has been hijacked by people who are unsure of life but don't want a religion as a self help system is irrelevant imo, peoples realities of any given object/subject be it physical or ephemeral are entirely subjective and that's why clashes over ideas occur.