NR POS

friznit · Post by **friznit** » October 22nd, 2007, 19:20

Needs more fuel. There's some in Goram, but I need someone to buy the rest. Stick it on contract to Mano and she can freighter it to Chamemi within the next 2 days. Please also include 100k nitrogen Isotopes and 100k Oxygen Isotopes on top of the POS fuel, for the jump haulers.

If this doesn't happen I'll take the POS down once it goes offline. It's not right that I should spend all my online time buying fuel, hauling it, jumping it to PB, fuelling the POS and then jumping the mins back to empire to sell them.

If you want this facility, you gotta help run it. Running a POS isn't rocket science, as even 14 years olds can do it with a little reading up on Eve-O and I've even made a spreadsheet that does all the hard bit for you.

Use it or lose it.

centerededgedesign · Post by **centerededgedesign** » October 22nd, 2007, 19:27

Aki, any chance you can make some rounds tonite to do this? I'm packing tonite and spending time w/ family I won't see for 3+ days. Anyone else on atm that can grab a load and move?

I think many will agree it's a great resource, and would hate to lose it.

Akiakaiu · Post by **Akiakaiu** » October 22nd, 2007, 19:54

Yes I can do this.

centerededgedesign · Post by **centerededgedesign** » October 22nd, 2007, 20:10

Thanks Aki!

friznit · Post by **friznit** » October 22nd, 2007, 21:15

POS sheet updated. POS fuel is good for a week.

If people want to help, please don't wait for Dres or I to tell you what to do cos that's actually harder for us than doing it ourselves. Have a nose around the corp, see what we have and and work out what needs doing - such as shifting ore from the POS to the refinery, or checking the POS for fuel and buying more in empire if we're low. Be proactive, think a little and do what you can to assist. If you need reassurance before blowing 500mill on isotopes, by all means check with a director first. But doing nothing will lead us back to where 5punkorp was 6 months ago - one person doing it all, getting burned out and the whole thing collapsing.

I won't 'rescue' the POS again.

centerededgedesign · Post by **centerededgedesign** » October 22nd, 2007, 21:27

I'll work to spread the effort out so we don't have to rescue it anymore either. I'll work w/ our 5punky peeps to get a system in place to buy 3 weeks of fuel every other week. Then in a few months we'll have a nice buffer built up. We'll need to be as proactive as ever to watch fuel prices, but mining every weekend for the hour before DT will hopefully show that pilots are interested in lending a hand, and give them an opportunity to do so.

If you'd like to support the POS, but can't/won't/don't want to dedicate time, a bit of isk won't hurt either to build the supply.

Also, keeping most of the bits offlined until needed will save us alot as well. If you need to use something, toss me a message and we'll get it sorted ASAP. As a director I work for you to keep options open and give you fun opportunities to help the corp, (and your wallet as much as I can).

friznit · Post by **friznit** » October 24th, 2007, 14:43

5 days to live....

Ofc I could do everything myself, but where'd be the fun in that? And I'm going to have to go away one day, so it'll be really useful if someone else knows what to do

Knight · Post by **Knight** » October 24th, 2007, 15:58

Once I'm set up in NR Space I'll dedicate a % of my ISK gains to POS upkeep

centerededgedesign · Post by **centerededgedesign** » October 25th, 2007, 0:05

I worked out a load on my Iteron for Hydrogen and Enriched Uranium, but missed the bit about the other Isotopes. I'll go back for more and toss it all in Goram.

Turns out Gren beat me on the iso's. All should be in Goram. Let me know if you need it moved to Chamemi, might could do that tomorrow night if needed (by Iteron V would take a few trips).

Brubeck · Post by **Brubeck** » October 25th, 2007, 2:00

Dropped off 100K Nitrogen Isotopes & 100K Oxygen Isotopes to the station in Goram for Mano. Also dropped off 3 containers of drones (heavy & sentry) for that region along with medium/large shield & armor drones for the corp hanger. Not sure what the max cargo load is for the transport, but if one or more can be squeezed in, it'd be nice. I put a variety in each container, so container 1 has a full selection, etc.

Would it be easier (and more equatable) for all members of NR to give a set amount of Isk per week, month or whatever to share the load? Do you have an idea how much it would be if things were done this way? I've put 90M into NR for 300 T2 crystals a couple weeks ago and the stuff (not counting the drones) above was about 70M - I imagine this is a decent percentage of the NR costs, but really not sure what the overall costs of the station, etc. come to each week (fuel, taxes, transport, logistics, equipment, etc.)

Fear · Post by **Fear** » October 25th, 2007, 2:08

Would it not be easier to have the fuel moved to one of the high sec stations 1 jump from Chamemi? It just seems we are hauling it a long way away only for it to be moved a long way.

The little bit of hauling I've done so far, I basically got everything to Bashyam which is one jump from Chamemi (but not the obvious gate to camp if you were a piwate) in large capacity afk haulers. Then I jumped in a blockade runner and with the help of an alt scout moved it into Chamemi. Admittedly my cargo was perhaps more expensive than your average hauler full of fuel, but you know how nervous I get with low-sec hauling.

I have a blockade runner and an alt scout in or 1 jump from Chamemi, so just holla if any of you need either. More useful is the scout, possibly.

friznit · Post by **friznit** » October 25th, 2007, 8:07

Probably would Fear, although there are no offices to be had at reasonable prices.

For everyone else: ISK is NOT the problem. The 10% tax that you already give to the corp on mineral sales easily covers the POS fuel, jump fuel and other stuff like crystals (approx 200mill per month) as long as everyone makes use of the corp and actually does some mining from time to time.

The hard bit is working out how much fuel we need, running around empire in a hauler buying it all and moving it to Chamemi ready for me to jump to Y-C. It's boring and noone really wants to do it, but if you want to have a POS to mine from then it has to be done. If not, we can easily take the POS down and base out of the station next door.

If you buy anything, please make sure you update the POS sheet.

Dres - please make sure Brubeck is reimbursed from the corp wallet.

centerededgedesign · Post by **centerededgedesign** » October 25th, 2007, 14:04

For those thinking about the option of basing out of a station next door, think about the security we have from being able to 'POS up!' when hostiles are about in the neighborhood. I for one think we should keep the POS while we're flying around in Hulks and Haulers, not to mention ratting out there is much easier w/ a POS as well. (Ok, a couple GSC's could do the trick for ratting).

And I'm sorry I forgot to update the sheet.

Also, heading to Goram now to start shifting stuff to Chamemi.

NOW ACCEPTING VOLUNTEERS TO BUY/MOVE 1 FLAVOR OF FUEL EVERY OTHER WEEK.

It's probably like 100 jumps round trip per week that we'll need. But I'll work with you on learning/understanding the spreadsheet so you don't buy too much at a time.

Some of it we can get by mining out in PB, but the majority must be bought from the lowest seller and moved.

Splitting the work up will be the easiest, but we'll need to rely on you to hold up your end.

centerededgedesign · Post by **centerededgedesign** » October 25th, 2007, 15:00

Shifted Hydrogen and EU to Chamemi and contracted to Mano. I'll do more when I get back later, unless somebody else does. Just make sure you tell us is the most important thing if you do!

friznit · Post by **friznit** » October 25th, 2007, 15:44

Hint: if you're cunning, sell some stuff to get cash, buy 2 months of fuel at once in Jita, contract it to Mano, she can afk freighter it to Chamemi no probs. Hey presto, no need to do anything for 2 months....

centerededgedesign · Post by **centerededgedesign** » October 26th, 2007, 2:12

Kewl, but where did all the minerals from PB turn up for selling? Did I miss them somewhere?

Also, I had been flying about to buy the bits from NPC's trying to be all efficient. My bad!

Brubeck · Post by **Brubeck** » October 26th, 2007, 3:14

No need to reimburse me - donation to the corp cause and all that.

How much fuel is needed per week (more or less) for the station, carriers and such in NR? AFK hauling is my specialty - Can fly fuel to Chamemi (or close high sec, then non-afk to Chameni).

Can't pilot a freighter, but can get a decent amount in an industrial (Iteron V w/ T2 cargo holds).

Perhaps a list could be posted of POS needs per month - corp members could then just pick what they want to supply and it could be checked off as covered. Give a deadline that people need to have the stuff at Chameni and arrange pickup after that.

centerededgedesign · Post by **centerededgedesign** » October 26th, 2007, 5:19

We have a POS spreadsheet that explains it all, calculates daily usage, and everything. Fuel use depends on what's online and such as well, not a static figure.

I like Friz's two month plan, just need to figure out where stuff to sell is located is all.

friznit · Post by **friznit** » October 26th, 2007, 8:46

I've sold all the minerals we brought up from NR...and it looks like we've spent it all already. Most of the isk is tied up in Hulks at the mo, which won't be ready for another few days.

bomberesque · Post by **bomberesque** » October 26th, 2007, 9:36

centerededgedesign wrote:I like Friz's two month plan, just need to figure out where stuff to sell is located is all.

so do i. I realise also that we will need a co-ordinator for this fuelling, otherwise Friz or Dres will have to post ZOMG I'M TAKING THE POS DOWN YOU LAZY @RSEHOLES every week or month.

I guess I just volunteered

, except that I'll not be on for the next week (folks in town, they will point and laugh if I play internet spaceships in their presence). As I said to friz last week, I need to sort out some RL and skills stuff then I will take the co-ordination of the empire end of the fuelling. It's also perhaps a good idea to have 2, so one can fill in when the otherone is offline etc. Brubeck, you interested? Sounds like you're already getting well involved!

An idea also is to make something of a corp op of the gathering and transport of the fuel to the jump off point. Corp hauling op. Sounds erm really boring.