Since no matter where we go (or stay), we're only as strong as our joint capabilites. Bomber and I are working on a sheet to track building of a T2 component to sell for profit. Since the future of the alliance is unknown, we'll forge ahead with it as a corp endeavor.
For another endeavor, we'll be starting a BS building program soon. Empire and 0.0 miners can sell their minerals to the corp at a set rate, we'll build ships, and sell them. (We'll need to track mineral costs and use very closely to ensure profitability, while still paying good rate for minerals.) Corp members can buy a corp insured BS at cost. Replacements for corp insured BS's will remain as they are now, you get a new ship for the cost of insurance, insurance payout goes to the corp. To get the endeavor rolling, I'll be buying bpc's from Miro, and individuals can trade bpc's for their insurance cost. (contact me for details in these cases).
Once we get income rolling we might look at upgrading our bpo's supply, or look at invention. So, people that can milk research agents for rp, please let me know so we can coordinate efforts for maximum coverage.
Alright, back to work!
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centerededgedesign
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I've been working on a nice RP steam the last six months or so, using mostly ME agents since ME datacores seem to be the most in demand.
There's a pile of new T2 ships coming out in November - going to be invention only, and really expensive - any thoughts about producing/selling/using them?
Also - this might be for a different post, but I suspect that the price of Datacores and associated invention supplies for the ships will shoot up. Dunno what we have in the corp coffers, but what do you think about investing in some invention materials at a decent price until November? One thing to consider though, is that CCP might slip in more datacores/decryptors/etc. at some point.
There's a pile of new T2 ships coming out in November - going to be invention only, and really expensive - any thoughts about producing/selling/using them?
Also - this might be for a different post, but I suspect that the price of Datacores and associated invention supplies for the ships will shoot up. Dunno what we have in the corp coffers, but what do you think about investing in some invention materials at a decent price until November? One thing to consider though, is that CCP might slip in more datacores/decryptors/etc. at some point.
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centerededgedesign
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True, CCP might do that, but we could always just use them as well.
Do we know from Sisi what ships invention will be based off of? Just curious, as we could possibly get a bpo for a BS, if we were reasonably sure it would be one in demand w/ invention.
Put together a list of invention stuffs we might buy/sell, and also look at what we'll need to build Hulks. With all these new ships on the horizon, mineral prices may climb as well. All the better time to be able to produce our own.
Oh, and Brubeck, we'll need another half dozen of each of the T2 mining upgrades, please.
Do we know from Sisi what ships invention will be based off of? Just curious, as we could possibly get a bpo for a BS, if we were reasonably sure it would be one in demand w/ invention.
Put together a list of invention stuffs we might buy/sell, and also look at what we'll need to build Hulks. With all these new ships on the horizon, mineral prices may climb as well. All the better time to be able to produce our own.
Oh, and Brubeck, we'll need another half dozen of each of the T2 mining upgrades, please.
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northwesten
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Ok well as Dres spoken to me I well help on low ends! As I know your getting ready for some big production. For me great news for my corp and once i settle in i hope to recruit one or to people. Of course not for free as i have limited hours! I am in tash mining low ends so I be happy to be like a sub contractor for 5punk.
I hope to work close to you guys for some time.
I hope to work close to you guys for some time.
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centerededgedesign
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Ok, back to work! We have some trit bought and sourced, high ends sitting waiting to be used in NR, (maybe moved already, Friz surprised me with a carrier run over the weekend), now we really need bpc's so we can figure our mineral needs right down to the .01 m3 worth.
Plan for buying mins from corp members that want to mine for this effort:
I will figure the 'sale value' of a ship, and divide out a percentage of that over the value of all the minerals needed to build it.. Then, I'll post buy orders here for minerals, with prices. If you choose to provide mins for that particular ship project, post your intentions for all to see, (so we don't get duplicate efforts). We'll be building in Goram, so getting the minerals there will be of importance as well.
I hope to get on tonite to get a couple BPC's for Mega's, post buy orders, and see how long it takes us to get minerals for a build.
This way, our pilots profit, get to help the corp, and the corp profits. The more we do, the more we can buy, and the more we profit. We all win!
Plan for buying mins from corp members that want to mine for this effort:
I will figure the 'sale value' of a ship, and divide out a percentage of that over the value of all the minerals needed to build it.. Then, I'll post buy orders here for minerals, with prices. If you choose to provide mins for that particular ship project, post your intentions for all to see, (so we don't get duplicate efforts). We'll be building in Goram, so getting the minerals there will be of importance as well.
I hope to get on tonite to get a couple BPC's for Mega's, post buy orders, and see how long it takes us to get minerals for a build.
This way, our pilots profit, get to help the corp, and the corp profits. The more we do, the more we can buy, and the more we profit. We all win!
Why mined minerals are not 'free':
Whatever buy orders you put here, they'll need to be >= lowest market price in the region, cos however altruistic I may feel to the corp, right-click-sell will be just too tempting if it makes me more isk
More complicated reason:
At the moment, all the minerals I ship up from 1-N 'belong' to Nouveau Riche in that they were mined by the collective alts of BUM, and bought from them using the NR corp wallet at lowest Jita price. NR needs to make enough isk to fund the POS & jump fuel and continue paying people for their minerals. It's only about 200mill a month, but it needs to be factored into the overall business plan.
Whatever buy orders you put here, they'll need to be >= lowest market price in the region, cos however altruistic I may feel to the corp, right-click-sell will be just too tempting if it makes me more isk
More complicated reason:
At the moment, all the minerals I ship up from 1-N 'belong' to Nouveau Riche in that they were mined by the collective alts of BUM, and bought from them using the NR corp wallet at lowest Jita price. NR needs to make enough isk to fund the POS & jump fuel and continue paying people for their minerals. It's only about 200mill a month, but it needs to be factored into the overall business plan.
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what ever building plans we may have if there are mins you don't get from mining let us mission whores know. We get all sorts and even get strontium (not sure from what). Dark and I have a lot of loot to reprocess when needed. Soon I'll be building T2 ships so don't look at me for all your weird mins needs.
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centerededgedesign
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Nope, I have no intention of shorting anyone isk that they could get on the open market. I just don't want to rely completely on the low buy orders, and thus short our members on an opportunity to both make isk, and benefit the corp. I fully realize this will affect our profitability by raising somewhat the build price of ships, because we'll be buying a portion of the minerals at market value from our members. If we can't buy the minerals from our members, we'll rely on low and broad buy orders that will require my or other's time to collect. Buying minerals from corp members is preferable, because then those that provide something to the corp benefit proportional to their involvement, without having to be on at a particular time and sit about mining. Even if we only break even on the ship endeavor, if our pilots are profiting, we're doing some good!
Now, when we buy a BPO, we'll need to look at how we're MAKING isk to rebuild the corp wallet for that investment. It will be a corp asset ofc, but money in the bank is always a good investment.
Nobody should have to work for free in Eve, just killing a rat can make you some isk! Now, if we could find a way to kill rats for the corp, that would be something!
Now, when we buy a BPO, we'll need to look at how we're MAKING isk to rebuild the corp wallet for that investment. It will be a corp asset ofc, but money in the bank is always a good investment.
Nobody should have to work for free in Eve, just killing a rat can make you some isk! Now, if we could find a way to kill rats for the corp, that would be something!
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centerededgedesign
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What incentive would the pilots have to spend their time ratting then? The loot melts, but not THAT greatly! 
I wish we had enough people for a small mining op, (more than just Quin and I!) all on at the same time. But we'll get back to that level, and maybe a couple new smiley faces to join as well!
I wish we had enough people for a small mining op, (more than just Quin and I!) all on at the same time. But we'll get back to that level, and maybe a couple new smiley faces to join as well!
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Dolly Parton
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once this invention thing starts rolling you'll see kenny out there, 4 now need the standings up for that wonderful lvl 4 qty 14 R&D agent.centerededgedesign wrote:What incentive would the pilots have to spend their time ratting then? The loot melts, but not THAT greatly!
I wish we had enough people for a small mining op, (more than just Quin and I!) all on at the same time. But we'll get back to that level, and maybe a couple new smiley faces to join as well!
q your contract for out there expired so i renewed it for u
do we have a myrmidion bpo or bpc out there or in corp?
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centerededgedesign
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I think I have 2 runs left on my Myrm bpc. Might be able to get on long enough to toss one on the burner for you tonite. I need to toss more scan probes on the fire as well. Two batches left and we'll be able to scan for goodies out there!
/me hope for a nice mining spot w/ UBER large Bistot or something shinier!
/me hope for a nice mining spot w/ UBER large Bistot or something shinier!
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kk, got the last probes cooking now, and we'll have 100 of each to get started, (except pursuit, which are commonly said not to be needed). I didn't have enough mins to build a Myrm, and I tossed all the fuel from the corp hangar into the tower, (except the LO, which I figured is for cyno's and the carrier), only to see somebody else had topped it up some ahead of me. Oh well, the spam still stopped, and it looks like Friz went fuel shopping.
nn gents, catch you tomorrow.
nn gents, catch you tomorrow.
I did, and bunged a hauler load into the tower late last night to shut the damn thing up. Thanks for doing the rest for me, although I apparently forgot to buy coolant - it has 10 days or so to run so not urgent.
Manorina has some pretty sweet exploration skills, and a rigged covops down there already so I'll have a poke around as well sometime.
Manorina has some pretty sweet exploration skills, and a rigged covops down there already so I'll have a poke around as well sometime.
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centerededgedesign
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Coolant isn't an ice product, is it? Ugh, tired this morning, at work, can't check. Just wondering if a small mining op couldn't offset a bit of our expenses for tower.
Friz, did you manage to move some mins back to empire for sale? Just wondering so we can get NR back in the black as quickly as possible so we can turn over a steady isk flow out there.
Friz, did you manage to move some mins back to empire for sale? Just wondering so we can get NR back in the black as quickly as possible so we can turn over a steady isk flow out there.
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Coolant is an NPC fuel, you gotta buy it. My bad for screwing up but it's not burningly urgent so I'll get around to it later this week. We'll need to mine a bit of ice anyway, cos I don't buy LO or HW for the tower. You get a shit ton of the stuff as a bi-product of mining stront to sell to MC (oh yeah, another good isk earner that )
Mano's freighter is half way full of mins from NR land which I bought off the likes of Quin using NR iskies. I was planning to ship it to Goram for building stuff with, and we can fund the POS directly from 5punk wallet since it's our show and all debts are paid off now. Since we have a tidy isk buffer anyway, we may as well build easy mineral-isk multipliers such as cyno gens (I have a BPO somewhere, I'll run it back down to Goram). These sell for an easy 1mill profit per unit, which is almost the same profit per unit as a battleship but at 1/100th of the BoM (top tip, and it's how I made my first bill, but the catch is where you sell 'em... )
An idea that might appeal to the mission runners like Dolly: large scale faction ammo sales. The corp could build T1 ammo, compensate mission runners at 1000 isk per LP, plus cover the isk downpayment for conversion to faction ammo at the LP store, then sell it for profits to Alliance mates (would need to run the numbers on that to check overall profitability).
Also, following from my other post about standings, we could at the same time boost a few industry toons to level 4 R&D agents so we can guarantee a steady supply of datacores. Incidentally, decryptors are about to hit a mahoosive bottlekneck cos they are farmed mighty slowly from COSMOSs sites. Good isk earner there is if you know what you're doing.
)Mano's freighter is half way full of mins from NR land which I bought off the likes of Quin using NR iskies. I was planning to ship it to Goram for building stuff with, and we can fund the POS directly from 5punk wallet since it's our show and all debts are paid off now. Since we have a tidy isk buffer anyway, we may as well build easy mineral-isk multipliers such as cyno gens (I have a BPO somewhere, I'll run it back down to Goram). These sell for an easy 1mill profit per unit, which is almost the same profit per unit as a battleship but at 1/100th of the BoM (top tip, and it's how I made my first bill, but the catch is where you sell 'em...
)An idea that might appeal to the mission runners like Dolly: large scale faction ammo sales. The corp could build T1 ammo, compensate mission runners at 1000 isk per LP, plus cover the isk downpayment for conversion to faction ammo at the LP store, then sell it for profits to Alliance mates (would need to run the numbers on that to check overall profitability).
Also, following from my other post about standings, we could at the same time boost a few industry toons to level 4 R&D agents so we can guarantee a steady supply of datacores. Incidentally, decryptors are about to hit a mahoosive bottlekneck cos they are farmed mighty slowly from COSMOSs sites. Good isk earner there is if you know what you're doing.
Just delivered 850mill isk worth (conservative estimate) of minerals to the office in Goram. These were purchases with the NR corp wallet plus a few I had lying around that I've thrown in the pot for free. NR wallet is officially empty, so all payments from now on will come from 5punkorp wallet.
Sell, build, do what you will with them
Sell, build, do what you will with them