Oh dear.

viper_2090 · Post by **viper_2090** » June 21st, 2005, 20:07

Soloman wrote: These are paintballers. End of argument.

pfft!

Nickface · Post by **Nickface** » June 21st, 2005, 20:09

Soloman wrote:IIRC Paintball is semiautomatic, Airsoft, depending on which weapon you use, is full-auto.

There are fully automatic paintball guns.

Sol · Post by **Sol** » June 21st, 2005, 20:15

I am sure full auto is illegal in the u.k. for them though. It may be a different case in the U.S

cashy · Post by **cashy** » June 21st, 2005, 21:21

Soloman wrote:I am sure full auto is illegal in the u.k. for them though. It may be a different case in the U.S

my cousin had a full auto m14 a few years back (he is all of teh uk). but then he got a double barrelled shotgun for his birthday too.

wanker

and also the army DOES use paintballing for training, not for the 'look at me im realy at war' feeling, but for building teamwork skills and tactics that can be used on the field in real life. like covering fire, flanking etc.

Woo Elephant Yeah · Post by **Woo Elephant Yeah** » June 21st, 2005, 22:27

ProfHawking wrote:http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~elmside/glock.avi

Woo, that looks like fun, but as a few of you know, I'd rather inject heroin into my eyeballs, cut off my testicles with a rusty spoon, and soak the wound in vinegar rather than play paintball/airsoft.

As for the use of imitation guns, there is no need for any imitiation gun to ever be made, as they can be used for the wrong purpose, as can a real gun.

I agree with the ban on imitation guns in the U.K. and if you want to use an airsoft gun, then use one that doesn't look like the real thing.

I'm not gonna win this argument on here, but I thought I'd mention how fucked up I think the use of any gun in society is anyway.

Fuck the gun owners & fuck the gun enthusiasts, the only people that should legally have anything slightly resembling a gun is the military or police.

cashy · Post by **cashy** » June 21st, 2005, 22:51

i agree with the elephant, i mean it would still shoot the same if it looked like an oversized banana, so if you like it for the 'sport' aspect then go ahead and use a banana gun.

i like the idea of firing guns as much as the next man, but what i dont like is the idea of people using guns in this country. and im sure you have all heard about how many of the guns in this country are simply converted BB guns. so an american shoots up his school then himself, thats fucking funny i'll admit, but if that shit starts happening in the school next to me i wont find it as funny.

we need to put a stop to gun crime in this country before it gets out of hand, in my town alone there have been about 4 firearm crimes reported that i have heard this year, this one couple forced into a disabled old ladies house and robbed her at gunpoint a few weeks ago.

im not saying ban airsoft'ing and paintballing as im sure they are both fun, and i do like paintballing myself, but what i am saying is ban replica guns that can either be converted or mistaken as a real gun, as in some ways they are as big a menace as the real thing

Post by **TezzRexx** » June 21st, 2005, 23:23

ProfHawking wrote:offically, its a game like paintball but a bit more wimpy but looks more "realistic" (read: likely to get you arrested nowadays)
anyway, its just great fun shooting cans and stuff

here is my glock in "action"
http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~elmside/glock.avi

.

I saw this when you posted it on b3ta. Yeah, tidy up asshole!! XD

killslay · Post by **killslay** » June 21st, 2005, 23:36

replica guns are fine as long as its for decoration, real guns should only be used for hunting. and theres no need for an m16 or an ak47 if your hunting deer.
i'm more of a knife man myself, but you wouldn't catch me using it for anything but decoration or camping/hiking equipment

TheJockGit · Post by **TheJockGit** » June 22nd, 2005, 0:03

I spent 6 years in Her majesty's finest (1981-87, in the Royal Engineers), and I never once used Paintball or Airsoft... probably cos they weren't around then... but we did use blanks and Marshalls that determined when you were hit.. problem was they were all wankers!!

The Army now has a more sophisticated method though nowadays to simulate combat, see this absurdly long link http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi-bi ... dele=jdc_1 for details.

Basically you wear some sensors on your clothing, your weapon has a "key" that allows you to fire a laser when you shoot a blank, if you get hit by a laser the only way to turn off the high pitched, ear bleed inducing bleep that comes off your suit is to take the key out of your weapon and put it attach it to the sensors on your suit, thereby making your weapon inactive and you dead... clear as mud I think... but I still think Airsoft is cool in a "Boys with Toys" kind of way...

Post by **ProfHawking** » June 22nd, 2005, 8:41

Dog Pants wrote: Man, your room's a mess! And you appear to have a large silver dildo on your fireplace.

shit ive been rumbled! *runs*
(dont you use deoderant?)
And yes its a tip. I cant help collecting loads of junk and it just sprawls accross my floor

Airsoft is wimpy. If it hits you in a fold of clothing you might not eveb notice. Paintball is all about tactics, and you know when you been hit and its obvious for others. The guns are all about functionality not looks.
Its not about pretending to be in the army unlike kiddies playing airsoft wannabes

Post by **Dr. kitteny berk** » June 22nd, 2005, 9:36

paintball and airsoft are both a lot like counterstrike:

You *CAN* play tactically, but no fucker really does, especially in PB, it's more battle of the bulge than a tactical game.

Also, if you're concerned about either game being wimpy, or not painful enough. well, just get your missus a whip, it's far more fun.

Sol · Post by **Sol** » June 22nd, 2005, 14:32

cashy wrote:i agree with the elephant, i mean it would still shoot the same if it looked like an oversized banana, so if you like it for the 'sport' aspect then go ahead and use a banana gun.

i like the idea of firing guns as much as the next man, but what i dont like is the idea of people using guns in this country. and im sure you have all heard about how many of the guns in this country are simply converted BB guns. so an american shoots up his school then himself, thats fucking funny i'll admit, but if that shit starts happening in the school next to me i wont find it as funny.

we need to put a stop to gun crime in this country before it gets out of hand, in my town alone there have been about 4 firearm crimes reported that i have heard this year, this one couple forced into a disabled old ladies house and robbed her at gunpoint a few weeks ago.

im not saying ban airsoft'ing and paintballing as im sure they are both fun, and i do like paintballing myself, but what i am saying is ban replica guns that can either be converted or mistaken as a real gun, as in some ways they are as big a menace as the real thing

Mate, that is a load off bollocks about being able to convert replias into real guns, there is absolutley no way any sort of airsoft gun could/can be converted. Ok, maybe you could, but then the whole gun would blow up and kill the user.

In my opinion replica guns should not be banned, only the sale of them at markets and places like that, so that chavs cannot buy them, it is allways the idiots that spoil it for legitimate users.

There are about ten dedicated airsoft shops in the u.k, and over 60 airsoft sites. Most of which do this as a living, ban comes, they are all out of buisness.

If anything, you should have to have a licence for Airsoft guns.

Woo Elephant Yeah · Post by **Woo Elephant Yeah** » June 22nd, 2005, 14:44

Yeah, but what is the point in replica guns?

When I used to run round with a water pistol as a kid, it "looked" like a water pistol. If I was to run around with an airsoft gun (which looks fun narf) then I would expect it to look like an airsoft gun, and not the real thing.

Replicas are open to abuse, and the sooner they disapear the better IMO.

As I said, if I was even slightly interested in guns, then I might have a different opinion, but the only gun you're likely to find me holiding is an MP44 on top of a roof within Call Of Duty

Now lets all keep it nice in here

Post by **Dr. kitteny berk** » June 22nd, 2005, 15:31

*smacks woo around the back of the head with a brick, stabs him repeatedly with a kitchen knife, only then stopping to break his ribs with a baseball bat*

*keeps replica weapons safely locked away, insuring neighbours know they're not real when you are playing on private land with them*

*gets springer bb gun for a tenner on the market, uses it to threaten guy who runs the corner shop*

*gets replica ak47, robs a bank with it, gets killed by a single shot from an armed cop*

*gets real gun from shady guy, uses it once to shoot someone, kills innocent bystanders, gets caught a few weeks later, lives happily ever after with big dave raping him 3 times a day*

Now, all of these are pretty likely, in reality, the only ones any restrictions will stop are 2,3 and 4.

Unfortunately, there's also the risk that the people who buy replicas or crappy bb guns and commit crimes with them. well, for a start they won't get a license, and secondly, they might as well just go the whole hog and buy a real gun.

Also, yes, you can argue about airsoft weapons looking real. unfortunately there's not many options there, the UK is a tiny proportion on the airsoft market, so they either look real, or we don't get them.

You *could* make us paint the first inch of our weapons bright orange, that means chavs have to scratch an inch off paint off their gun, anyone playing airsoft legit gets noticed more easily.

As far as i can see they should

Run a gun amnesty, offer, say £50 for each weapon handed in (airsoft or not)
Make the sale of airsoft a licensed system and make it so you need a license to buy/own airsoft weapons
Make airsoft sites comply to rules and get a license, but make it affordable
Deport all the fucking chavs who have weapons

JamieChalm · Post by **JamieChalm** » June 22nd, 2005, 16:57

Dr. kitteny berk wrote:Deport all the fucking chavs

This one works better for everyone.

cashy · Post by **cashy** » June 22nd, 2005, 17:30

JamieChalm wrote:
Dr. kitteny berk wrote:Deport all the fucking chavs
This one works better for everyone.

i dunno, they make up for 80% of our factory horse so the cost of making goods would rise considerably.

im not sure about the making bb guns into real guns thing, but ive heard it in the news a few times. maybe parts from real guns wont work with it, but that doesnt stop some dude who is handy with a metal lathe making his own parts. i dont know much about this, mainly because im an electrician, not a gunsmith.

the licence i think is the best idea i have heard so far, because we all know their are people who enjoy it and use them properly, but as with anything there are those who cant play nice and its these people who need the beating.

maybe the paintballing was just a day trip then, but ive heard 2 uk army members say they have gone paintballing and thrown flashbangs at each other n shit. pretty recently mind

Post by **Dr. kitteny berk** » June 22nd, 2005, 17:43

afaik; a good deal of parts in some airsoft guns are compatible with the real steel weapon, but by no means enough to make an airsoft gun live.

Sol · Post by **Sol** » June 22nd, 2005, 19:39

^^ this.

Stuff like scopes, taq lights, stocks, sights and that sort of thing, mostly exterior parts, nothing internal.

Woo Elephant Yeah · Post by **Woo Elephant Yeah** » June 22nd, 2005, 21:09

Okay, I've found the solution that everyone will be happy with.

Everybody (even the horses) should replace any form of gun with one of these http://www.5punk.co.uk/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=767

Post by **Dr. kitteny berk** » June 22nd, 2005, 21:14

one of those would kill a person :D

Oh dear.

Hmmmmmmmmm