5punk

Well i started to use my alt corp Dark Skyes to do some trading in 0.0. I sold a few T2 drones and made some good profit. I am building up my isk to expand my trading on the market much as i can to sell more goods. I know i going well with T2 dones for now.

Here what i thinking to bring in
T2 guns:
small to large
and missile lunchers
T1 Ammo
T2 Ammo (not sure)
Skills but i not sure what to buy for that.
T1 and T2 hardners and passive too?
T2 damage mods
POS fuel
dancer's

Any i was woundering as some of you guys in in the area longer me for providence and catch whats would be good to trade. I am very keen on this as i understanding the trade more.

I am currently working on improving relations with Alliance to be able to trade with. So far i have CVA,UK and Sylph happy for me to come and go with trade. I thinking of speaking to IAC even tho i hate them but its worth getting is and maybe C3 or something i not sure.

So have you guys have any advice on the trade?

Here Helpful info on trading
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard ... dID=449229
and
EDIT changed link sorry
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard ... dID=446463

PS i dont like the eve central trading site! Its crap

The best things to trade in 0.0 are relatively low cost consumables. Anything high cost people will go back to empire (especially in 9UY cos it's so close). Ammo, tackling gear, low slot fitting modules, drones etc sell well. In Unity you're competing mainly against Esa and Assah for the T2 market, so check the prices there and try to match them. Skills are slow movers so will soak up a lot of your isk, and most people who come to 0.0 have all the basic skills already.

Imagine the kind of thing you'd want to buy in station, and what things you'd bother going back to empire to get. If I was in Unity, I'd probably go back to empire to buy T2 ships and items, but I often grab a T1 frig and fittings for a quick run about: so rifters and all the associated fittings for example will sell well here.

We always seeded the markets with T2 cruisers, frigs, fittings and ammo and it sold pretty well.

On 3 accounts there going to be a Trader (skills) in each account other going to have Hauling skills 2 trader in 0.0 and one in empire. I think i got it cover and improving the service too. I keep ya updated on in a month is this trade plan working. If so u guys can try it out another region and u may get rich in time!

I have catch and providance atm and tash. Anyone interested just contact me

north, Unity is lacking in just about everything.

Especially affordable heavy missiles (1.2 mil per missile is taking the proverbial).

In fact everything I've tried to buy there I have failed. Passive targetters, 20km scram, etc. You'd make a killing if you stocked them up.

We could even consider doing something as a corp, all chip in say 100 mil or whatever, go mad in jita, freighter it in and sell it for 50% profit. Like a poor man's seed-marginis.

Fear wrote:north, Unity is lacking in just about everything.

Especially affordable heavy missiles (1.2 mil per missile is taking the proverbial).

In fact everything I've tried to buy there I have failed. Passive targetters, 20km scram, etc. You'd make a killing if you stocked them up.

We could even consider doing something as a corp, all chip in say 100 mil or whatever, go mad in jita, freighter it in and sell it for 50% profit. Like a poor man's seed-marginis.

Yer i been filling IS- and i will go to 9UY next and start getting crap there. I will build a list what needed.

If my plan works i was thinking of selling some shares but i not sure how to work it out yet.

I have my alts in the right places to increase haulage and trade.
I was also thinking of doing shares as investment to good friends and people i know for some time. Tho with the Trade how would you work out on a system to give out share and earn iskie and have a fat corp wallet?

I was thinking
40% stay with corp
60% divided to the share holders.

Also is there a helpful tools for this etc?
If this plan works well i be doing more shares.

Sorry for all Questions guys just i want to learn more! I think ISS done something to me

Shares in Eve are relatively simple - you're basically taking a loan from a number of people in exchange for a small portion of your business.

The easiest way for you to do it is to sell some of the shares in Dark Skyes to your friends. Pick an Initial Public Offering (IPO) price depending on our much isk you want to raise and also how much Return on Investment (ROI) you are going to promise to the shareholders. So for example:

Sell 40 shares at IPO of 10mill per share with ROI of 2% per month and buyback guarantee of 80% of current market price.

So, if you sell all your shares you will raise 400mill to go and run your business with. But to persuade people to give you their iskies, you've promised 2% return per month on their investment. This means you'd need to clear 8mill per month in profit just to pay your shareholder dividends. Anything over 8mill you get to keep for yourself of course.

The buyback guarantee is another way to persuade people that you're legit: if they get cold feet or need isk quick and can't sell their shares on to someone else, you (the company) promise to buy them back (albeit at a discount).

Alternatively, you could just offer dividends on profits - say 80% of the profit will be paid to shareholders (not forgetting that you've only sold 40%, so 60% of the shares are still yours). It's not as attractive in Eve as the ROI method because there no safeguards against scams and failed businesses. But if it was just mates it'd probably work fine.

Btw, CEO's in Eve can make dividend payments to shareholders in the corp tab if you're wondering how to actually do it. It spams everyone with an evemail when you do it.

friznit wrote:Shares in Eve are relatively simple - you're basically taking a loan from a number of people in exchange for a small portion of your business.

The easiest way for you to do it is to sell some of the shares in Dark Skyes to your friends. Pick an Initial Public Offering (IPO) price depending on our much isk you want to raise and also how much Return on Investment (ROI) you are going to promise to the shareholders. So for example:

Sell 40 shares at IPO of 10mill per share with ROI of 2% per month and buyback guarantee of 80% of current market price.

So, if you sell all your shares you will raise 400mill to go and run your business with. But to persuade people to give you their iskies, you've promised 2% return per month on their investment. This means you'd need to clear 8mill per month in profit just to pay your shareholder dividends. Anything over 8mill you get to keep for yourself of course.

The buyback guarantee is another way to persuade people that you're legit: if they get cold feet or need isk quick and can't sell their shares on to someone else, you (the company) promise to buy them back (albeit at a discount).

Alternatively, you could just offer dividends on profits - say 80% of the profit will be paid to shareholders (not forgetting that you've only sold 40%, so 60% of the shares are still yours). It's not as attractive in Eve as the ROI method because there no safeguards against scams and failed businesses. But if it was just mates it'd probably work fine.

Btw, CEO's in Eve can make dividend payments to shareholders in the corp tab if you're wondering how to actually do it. It spams everyone with an evemail when you do it.

thanks for the info friz!!

Ok now so far i am happy with 0.0 trading! I think i can do well in that but i feel i need a Large amount of cash to get stocked up and sell there.

I decied to do a few area where there hubs close by. 9uy - CVA - IS- have there good points and bad points like the pipe of Y-m which is annying because Tash is so close but pirates everywhere. Assah is good for pip but IAC camping these days but the hub little far and any other low selling goods.

I am now looking at empire and i moved my alts to there places. I going to deal with T2 mods now and maybe some T1 if there a good difference.

What i need for now is a list of some system that you know are busy. I like work it as a faction not system or region. for Example

Minmater:
Rens (Main hub)
Hek
teonusude
Eram

Like to know lvl4 and 3 mission area so i can check them out. Oh and small market area too.

Amarr:
Amarr (Main?)
Tash
era i think as next door to 0.0

Mission:
LVL 4

LVL 3

Caldari:
Jita (Main)
Nonni?

lvl 3
ommie

lvl4

Gallente:
i cant remember this one.

I am happy getting so far and finding useful tools. Once i checked the 4 factions out and cross check them to each other and then I will make a new corp because i bored with DS.

Once done i will sell shares of 10mil to one share out of 100 shares. They system i going to use i not sure yet. I have one in mind as RL may limit me on time play but will trade when i can.

I going to wait on the next patch when they done to see what comes with the corp love patch and i could let a few other i can trust to do some trading out of shares money. Only because teamwork can be better than one man doing it all you know?

Anyhow here what i was thinking but i be looking to people in 5punk for advice time to time *looks at friz*

40% kept to corp for more trade
20% to corp members after all we working
40% goes to share holders!

Now does that sound ok to your? It just more flexable for me when i make large profite or small profit! I dont like to say you get this if RL comes a problem.

Ideas! this is a project that i think i could make 5punk rich but we see

Wonderful. And your monthly ROI is expected to be? And what happens when the market goes arse up?

Oursulaert and Dodixie are the main gallente hubs. Might be more of them but i'm not sure.

Hehulk wrote:Wonderful. And your monthly ROI is expected to be? And what happens when the market goes arse up?

mm Good question but atm i am still looking into the market and studying it. So whats the expect ROI? well not sure depends whats my findings will be. Friz given me good advice on not over trade which i some what experianced it in 0.0 trade.

Now what friz told me on the market and shares and some idea what i earn. I think its a big project than i thought it was. HE also explained an few things how to look for good things.

I think as a corp has 10,000 shares sell 1% of shares (100) at 5mil each = 500mil and ROI of 5% of 5 000 000 = 250 000 for first 3 months then 10% = 500k amonth? or stay to 5%? tho maybe i have good cash flow to make that. What do you think?

5% ROI is a good goal and one that will attract people to invest. If RL is likely to be a problem, you either need to hire a partner or you may decide to only pay dividends every 3 months or so.

Have you a rough idea how much profit you've made trading this last month over how much you've put in?

friznit wrote:5% ROI is a good goal and one that will attract people to invest. If RL is likely to be a problem, you either need to hire a partner or you may decide to only pay dividends every 3 months or so.

Have you a rough idea how much profit you've made trading this last month over how much you've put in?

umm so far i think top of my head i made about 40mil - 50mil. I have to check it out on the transaction in eve tho and work it from there.

i take it to pay back 100 share i need to make 25 mil profit? of 5% ROI?

Correct. To pay a 5% dividend on 500mill you'd have to clear 25mill profit per month. Anything over that you get to keep for yourself.

friznit wrote:Correct. To pay a 5% dividend on 500mill you'd have to clear 25mill profit per month. Anything over that you get to keep for yourself.

Cool ok well i keep at trading and see how we are with my RL work and i start with share some time soon.

Edit
i wish i can do this full time and horses and not have a real job lol