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Is anyone else getting really tired of comic book movies? Every time I see another new one I cringe harder and harder.

deject wrote:Is anyone else getting really tired of comic book movies? Every time I see another new one I cringe harder and harder.

This particular horse will be beaten unto death. And then beaten unto dust where it lies. We've got at least four more years of regular comic to film releases so I'm hoping that they will at least be good.

deject wrote:Is anyone else getting really tired of comic book movies? Every time I see another new one I cringe harder and harder.

I'm getting pretty tired of reboots of things that have been rebooted at least once already, not just in my lifetime but in recent memory. Superman in particular has been overdone, and done badly and is a pretty boring superhero anyway. Quite looking forward to Total Recall, though.

FatherJack wrote:

deject wrote:Is anyone else getting really tired of comic book movies? Every time I see another new one I cringe harder and harder.

I'm getting pretty tired of reboots of things that have been rebooted at least once already, not just in my lifetime but in recent memory. Superman in particular has been overdone, and done badly and is a pretty boring superhero anyway. Quite looking forward to Total Recall, though.

I also want to see Total Recall. It's not a comic book movie though.

FatherJack wrote:Superman in particular has been overdone, and done badly and is a pretty boring superhero anyway.

I was thinking about this the other day. Supermans origin story has been retold so many times that I doubt there will be many people going to see Man of Steel that don't already know basically the whole story already. Seriously, its a story that's been retold a stupid amount of times.

It made me wonder why people keep going back to the origin story for Superman. I think its simple: Superman is a dumb concept if you want to tell any story at all. The guy is a walking deus ex machina. The fact that they had to introduce magical glowing rocks to the story to make it work speaks volumes. Superman is ruining all the superman stories with his overdone superpowers? Krytonite! Magically fixing the story by making Superman not Superman! The only story that isn't inherently broken is the origin story, because for most of it he wont actually *be* Superman, and usually as soon as he becomes all Super, the credits roll.

Having said that, I will probably be going to Man of Steel anyway.

FatherJack wrote:

deject wrote:Is anyone else getting really tired of comic book movies? Every time I see another new one I cringe harder and harder.

I'm getting pretty tired of reboots of things that have been rebooted at least once already, not just in my lifetime but in recent memory. Superman in particular has been overdone, and done badly and is a pretty boring superhero anyway. Quite looking forward to Total Recall, though.

All of this.

Take a look at all the comic inspired films we've got to look forward to: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page ... e&id=39883
Where did Guardians of the Galaxy come from? Apparently it won't have the tree man in it though, just 2 raccoon men.

I'm fine with the odd superhero film, but it's getting too much. Although I suppose this is more for the kids.

spoodie wrote:Where did Guardians of the Galaxy come from?

I'm a massive comic fan. I have more than ten thousand comics on my computer, and a fair few graphic novels. The vast majority of those are Marvel.

I have read maybe 3 Guardians of the Galaxy stories. I really, *really* want to know what the reasoning is behind making it a film.

deject wrote:Is anyone else getting really tired of comic book movies? Every time I see another new one I cringe harder and harder.

I was going to comment on this earlier, and forgot. I shall do so now:

No, no you are not. What I suspect you mean is that you are getting tired of superhero (and superhero-esque, if you want to be pedantic) films. Saying you are "tired of comic book movies" is like saying "tired of movies that contain a plot". Not all comics are about spandex clad heroics, not by a long shot.

Walking Dead was a comic originally. So was RED. Men In Black was a comic looong before it was a film, as was Stardust. So was A History of Violence. Ghost World. American Splendor. Road to Perdition.

Are you seriously telling me you are tired of all those kinds of films? Zombies, action comedies, scifi, fantasy, gritty realistic drama, weird teen stuff, prohibition era gangsters...No, you are not.

It seems over the last ten years there has been a massive flurry of Superhero movie conversions, mostly by Marvel but then DC are attempting to play catch up.

I partly think this is down to the success of Spiderman (the 2002 version) and I can imagine it will soon eventually slow down, partly due to all the big franchises being used up, and eventually lack of interest.

Joose wrote:

deject wrote:Is anyone else getting really tired of comic book movies? Every time I see another new one I cringe harder and harder.

I was going to comment on this earlier, and forgot. I shall do so now:

No, no you are not. What I suspect you mean is that you are getting tired of superhero (and superhero-esque, if you want to be pedantic) films. Saying you are "tired of comic book movies" is like saying "tired of movies that contain a plot". Not all comics are about spandex clad heroics, not by a long shot.

Walking Dead was a comic originally. So was RED. Men In Black was a comic looong before it was a film, as was Stardust. So was A History of Violence. Ghost World. American Splendor. Road to Perdition.

Are you seriously telling me you are tired of all those kinds of films? Zombies, action comedies, scifi, fantasy, gritty realistic drama, weird teen stuff, prohibition era gangsters...No, you are not.

A) I don't give a shit about The Walking Dead, Stardust, Ghost World, or American Splendor. At all. Not as single fuck given.

B) I'm kind of surprised you didn't try the "graphic novels != comic books" thing.

C) Just as with horror movies, there can definitely be great movies that come out of the genre, but the case is still that the majority of them are bland, uninspired piles of shit (Correlation: Most comic books are bland, uninspired piles of shit). I'd say the ratio of good:shit is a bit higher for comic book movies (I kinda liked The Watchmen, RED was great, and I'm sure you can cherry pick a bunch more good ones that I have forgotten about), but it's still far from even a 1:1.

My point is that I'm tired of the shitty cash-grab movie adaptation (regardless of superhero or not), of borrowing the one element that is usually the weakest of the comic book medium: stories.

So yes, I am getting tired of comic book movies.

*Prepares the kittens*

deject wrote:B) I'm kind of surprised you didn't try the "graphic novels != comic books" thing.

Well, no, I wouldn't, because that's a retarded argument. Graphic novels are just lengthy comic books. Hell, most of the time graphic novels are just collections of comic books.

C) Just as with horror movies, there can definitely be great movies that come out of the genre, but the case is still that the majority of them are bland, uninspired piles of shit (Correlation: Most comic books are bland, uninspired piles of shit). I'd say the ratio of good:shit is a bit higher for comic book movies (I kinda liked The Watchmen, RED was great, and I'm sure you can cherry pick a bunch more good ones that I have forgotten about), but it's still far from even a 1:1.

Speaking of retarded arguments...

One: Comics are a medium, not a genre. Just like books are a medium, films are a medium, and games are a medium.

Two: Stating opinions as fact does not make them so.

Three: Yes, numerically most comic book movies are shit. So are most non-comic book movies. There are huge amounts of films released each year, and the majority of them are, judging by review sites like rotten tomatoes etc, shite. The ratio of good to bad in non comics films is going to be far from even 1:1 too. So more comic book films are bad than good, and more non comic book films are bad than good. Maybe we should just give up on movies entirely! If we cant make films without some of them being shit, we shouldn't be making them at all! Fuck films! Fuck em all!

EDIT: Waaaait a minute, Ive just remembered something. Deject doesnt like Fifth Element. This invalidates all his other movie opinions. Thats that sorted, move along!

Joose wrote:EDIT: Waaaait a minute, Ive just remembered something. Deject doesnt like Fifth Element. This invalidates all his other movie opinions. Thats that sorted, move along!

How could you not like the Fifth Element?

Actually, looking at Luc Besson's Track record, I suspect he's possibly an alien, the only crap movies with his name on are horrible rehashes of the originals for Americans who can't read without saying the words.

This was on before batmans when I went last night:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rARN6agiW7o[/media]

I can never quite decide if I like Baz Luhrmanns visual style, or whether he is just beating my eyeballs into submission.

Also, it was originally a book, and has been made into a comic, so it will probably be double-shit based on that alone

Certainly is a lot of colour in that. I like it. But, Toby Maguire

Also, I felt like this after watching it.

Joose wrote:

deject wrote:B) I'm kind of surprised you didn't try the "graphic novels != comic books" thing.

Well, no, I wouldn't, because that's a retarded argument. Graphic novels are just lengthy comic books. Hell, most of the time graphic novels are just collections of comic books.

C) Just as with horror movies, there can definitely be great movies that come out of the genre, but the case is still that the majority of them are bland, uninspired piles of shit (Correlation: Most comic books are bland, uninspired piles of shit). I'd say the ratio of good:shit is a bit higher for comic book movies (I kinda liked The Watchmen, RED was great, and I'm sure you can cherry pick a bunch more good ones that I have forgotten about), but it's still far from even a 1:1.

Speaking of retarded arguments...

One: Comics are a medium, not a genre. Just like books are a medium, films are a medium, and games are a medium.

Two: Stating opinions as fact does not make them so.

Three: Yes, numerically most comic book movies are shit. So are most non-comic book movies. There are huge amounts of films released each year, and the majority of them are, judging by review sites like rotten tomatoes etc, shite. The ratio of good to bad in non comics films is going to be far from even 1:1 too. So more comic book films are bad than good, and more non comic book films are bad than good. Maybe we should just give up on movies entirely! If we cant make films without some of them being shit, we shouldn't be making them at all! Fuck films! Fuck em all!

EDIT: Waaaait a minute, Ive just remembered something. Deject doesnt like Fifth Element. This invalidates all his other movie opinions. Thats that sorted, move along!

Yes, comics are a medium, but they share a lot of the same stylistic and substantive elements, regardless of the fictional genre they're in. It's the nature of the medium. This is what I'm talking about.

I would like to say that though I may have presented my opinions in a way congruent with facts, I never consciously tried to present them as such. I treat pretty much everything on the internet as opinion (because it nearly always is) unless it's presented with a supporting argument. If it seemed like I'm trying to say it is fact, then I apologize, because that is not my intent.

As far as The Fifth Element is concerned, I'm sure I've said this here before, but it is literally everything that is wrong about science fiction. True, Luc Besson is trying to satirize sci-fi to some extent in the movie, but just calling it satire doesn't instantly make it good. Satire needs something more to drive it, to give it a meaning, but it just completely does not work for me, in any capacity. If it weren't for Milla Jovovich being half-naked the whole time it would be unbearable. I hate when sci-fi is just used solely as an excuse for bright lights and some stupidly flamboyant "futuristic" wardrobes. I'm not saying that sci-fi needs to be intellectually stimulating, but don't expect to just throw up your hands and say "IT'S THE FUTURE!!!!!!!!!" and expect that to work on its own.

Yes, comics are a medium, but they share a lot of the same stylistic and substantive elements, regardless of the fictional genre they're in. It's the nature of the medium. This is what I'm talking about

Then what you are talking about is incorrect. The art style of Amazing Spider-man is utterly different to that of, say, Transmetropolitan, and both are very different to The Walking Dead. I don't just mean the drawing, but the layout, the pacing, and the framing. As for the "substantive elements", I presume you mean the bits that are not the art: the writing style is recognisably different between those three, the story's are completely incomparable...they are just in no way the same. I'm not just cherry picking three ideal examples here either, I could have picked any number of other examples. Hell, even within the superhero genre, Marvel and Dc have recognisably different styles, both in artistic tendencies and the style of storytelling. Course, if you are only looking at the marvel/DC stuff, you could be excused for thinking they are all pretty similar. But if you were to only look at big summer blockbusters you would think that all movies are pretty similar too.

As for Fifth Element, I think you are missing the point of why it's good. It's the direction I like, more than the story. But I'm sure we have had that debate before, and I'm tired.

These are all the same, apparently.

sharing the same elements apparently means they're same, apparently.