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5punkcraft - Doan It Rong

Posted: June 16th, 2009, 12:07
by Dog Pants
World of Warcraft has a certain stigma attached. Home of the obsessive nerd, here on 5punk it was ostracised for a long time. Even after a few of us had played it, it remained taboo. The reasons for peoples' wariness of it are many; people get addicted, lose their jobs, their girlfriends and their money. People become obsessive nerds, arguing over undecipherable stats. Others become insufferable fanboys, deriding all other games as shadows of the almighty WoW. Some are put off by childish graphics, simple gameplay, or vast hordes or tardspeaking lolkids. The list goes on (and feel free to add your own).

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My own experiences of the game, initially, didn't do too much to dissuade me from these opinions of it. My review outlines the good and bad aspects of the game as I saw them after 10 days. However, re-reading what I wrote there I noticed that a lot of the issues mentioned have improved greatly in the last few years. There are still idiots, probably more than there were back then, but the game itself is more geared for the non-hardcore than it ever was.

So, why has World of Warcraft caught on with 5punkers now, when once it ws so derided? Well aside from almost all the criticisms of my review being addressed, we play it our own way. 5punk have descended upon Warcraft and are doing it wrong. We don't care about stats, or guides, or speed levelling. We do high level content like a herd of cats, and laugh in the face of death. Literally, and often. We've gone to those areas frequented by the hardcore and the l33t, and worn ballgowns. Allow me to elaborate.

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A normal person playing Warcraft will likely play on their own for most of the time. They'll be confused, alone, surrounded by idiots. Eventually they'll start teaming up with idiots to do the harder instances, and there'll be a combination of the idiots who are clueless and get everyone killed, the idiots who are selfish and want all the rewards to themselves, the idiots who know what they're doing and criticise everyone who isn't as 'l33t' as they are, and any combination of some or all of the above. Many will conform or quit. Those who survive will, eventually, become mathematicians. Their characters are products of a myriad of forums and formulae, and the things they do are paint-by-numbers repetition in order to get the next piece of equipment a website tells them they need.

5punkcraft, on the other hand is subtlely different. You'll still start off clueless, but you'll have 5punkers at hand to offer advice on request. Make your own mistakes, it's fun, and don't be told how to play your own character. Join random groups if you like, or don't. You can solo your way through the entire game to level 80 without too much effort, or you can sometimes team up with a few 5punkers with similarly levelled alts. Play what you like. There's no wrong class. In fact, we're realising that every single class can be soloed through the game, and every 5punker has a personal preference as to which class they prefer. Should you finally get that character to (or close to) the level cap, you'll be able to join in our impromtu dungeon hacks. Again, we don't care how you play, or what you play. Where other groups will only take certain classes, built a specific way, and with a specific quality of equipment, we don't give a shit. What's the worst that can happen? We all die, and we do that perfectly well on our own. Ironically, Blizzard seem to be of a similar attitude to us. All too often we encounter something daft or just bizarre that seems to cater to our sense of humour, but that also seems to be lost on most players. Don't worry Blizz, we get it.

So what was the point of all this? Well bluntly, we want more people to play with. More banter in our chat channel, more silly dancing and gesturing when we randomly meet each other in a city, and ultimately more people to do our dungeon hacking with. It doesn't really matter how long you've been playing when all your delights come from 5punky conversations and public silliness. With a real lack of decent games around at the moment there's not a lot else which is getting 5punkers gaming together. Unfortunately the trial isn't a great example of how we play, because it excludes you from the guild and chat channels, but don't be fooled by that.

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TLDR?
The short version is, we've made the game 5punky by doing it wrong and still succeeding, and by doing it as 5punkers, we've avoided most of the reasons not to play.

Curious? Ask here for an honest answer. Played long ago, or never could bring yourself? It's probably not what you expect.

Posted: June 16th, 2009, 13:17
by HereComesPete
Damn you. Pay day next week, expect me to quiite possibly join 5punkchat shortly. :shakefist:

Posted: June 16th, 2009, 13:28
by amblin
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Posted: June 16th, 2009, 13:44
by Stoat
You've made it sound like 3D Trickster/That other one I can't remember the name of. I'm interested, but I'm too tight to subscribe to it.

Posted: June 16th, 2009, 13:48
by Dr. kitteny berk
amblin wrote:Nicely worded and very interesting pantsu. Ain't gonna work on me, but that's because I saw someone lose my sister, his job, his health and his money to three years of non-stop crafting.
I doubt it was directly wow that was to blame, idiocy and odd personality traits are more likely. That can be a problem with any game, take Eve, for example.

I could post more, but I'm busy farming bear's arses. :P

Edit: also, your sister's single? :)

Posted: June 16th, 2009, 14:07
by FatherJack
It is not inevitable that you become completely addicted to it, in the same way that it isn't inevitable you become the kind of snooty elitist or rabid fanboy we strive to avoid. If you recognise and can avoid one thing as something you do not wish to become, why not the other?

I perhaps play it more than any other game in total, but I take long breaks from it and have weeks where I play other (usually new) games to death. None of which I do to the detriment of my family, friends or work. Addicts will be addicts no matter what the drug. I do have a personality which tends towards addiction in everything which I enjoy doing, but I limit my indulgence to my free time as the sensible side of my brain is stronger.

I was the same with Eve, so I guess it depends on the person. If you've ever played a game more than you would have liked to with retrospect, I guess it's likely you'll play WoW too much, but it depends how good you are at recognising when that's affecting other areas of your life as to whether it becomes a damaging addiction.

Posted: June 16th, 2009, 14:26
by amblin
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Posted: June 16th, 2009, 14:57
by Dog Pants
**Disclaimer**
I'm not trying to argue or lambast anybody into playing the game, only to try to put to bed some of the misconceptions about a game I've been enjoying for over a year now.
**Disclaimer**

Oddly enough, the beauty of it for me is that you can pick it up and put it down pretty much whenever you like. That's not to say you'll want to, but it is entirely possible to play and progress casually. Lat is a very good example of this, and I manage to fit in a couple of hours inbetween various jobs (while I may appear to be in the game a lot on Xfire, I play windowed so I do tend to pop in and out).

Relative to Trickster/Ragnarok? It's kind of similar in gameplay, as are most MMORPGs, but without that Korean WTF factor. There are a few bits of delightful craziness (rocket powered chickens anyone?)though, and overall the game is more interesting.

As for cheapness, it's all relative, as my article said. If you play more than a couple of hours a week it still probably works out cheaper than a single play title a month. I consider it the gaming equivalent of Special Brew.

Posted: June 16th, 2009, 17:20
by Roman Totale
Well werded, Doggers.

To echo one of your points - play whatever you feel like playing. We don't need X class to fill the gaps, or a certain style of play to get through dungeons. Just do what you want and everyone will be happy.

I remember when I first started WoW and I absolutely hated it. It seemed far too open and meandering, but basically I just didn't know what I was doing. In fairness, I still don't know what I'm doing and I have no shame in admitting it.

I know a lot of people use leveling guides/addons. It's fair to say that these are invaluable for getting round WoW and helping you to level. Personaly, I avoid them like the plague. I love wandering around doing random shit, and I always feel like I've lost out if someone has already painted the way for me. That's just me though - do what you want.

And don't feel the need to race straight to level 80. In my opinion you miss out on a lot of the nice touches of the game if you do that.

Posted: June 16th, 2009, 17:23
by friznit
Nice post M. Pantalon du Chien. The only thing I'd change is that I think Blizzard would consider you to be 'doin it right'. They've tweaked much of the game to enable exactly this sort of approach, whilst still catering to the hardcore elite who like to number crunch their way to Yogg Saron. I tip my the devs for being able to achieve this without alienating 99% of the player base.

Posted: June 16th, 2009, 18:52
by Dr. kitteny berk
Roman Totale wrote:I know a lot of people use leveling guides/addons. It's fair to say that these are invaluable for getting round WoW and helping you to level. Personaly, I avoid them like the plague. I love wandering around doing random shit, and I always feel like I've lost out if someone has already painted the way for me. That's just me though - do what you want.

And don't feel the need to race straight to level 80. In my opinion you miss out on a lot of the nice touches of the game if you do that.
:above: All of that, sorta.

I do use guides, (QH mainly, Jame's guide for levelling) But I've played the game through slowly once, I'm also finding with Jame's guide that i'm visiting bits of areas I haven't before. so that's nice.

Posted: June 16th, 2009, 19:59
by Lateralus
Awesome post is awesome. I only started playing it on the proviso that I could play without having to team with randoms, and that I could pick it up and put it down as and when I wanted. I can do all of these things, and what's more I've really rather enjoyed it so far. As far as I'm concerned, it's a single-player game with in-game chat that lets me dick around with other 5punkers when I want, and occasionally even pair up for a bit too. Hopefully there'll be more of the dicking around with 5punkers come level 80, but I'm quite happy playing it the way I do.

Personally, I use the levelling guides like Jame's a bit, but not exclusively. I find that I get bored and frustrated if I run out of things to do, or it's all really disjointed, but equally I'll sometimes just go wander around somewhere. Whenever I've hit a flat spot, my first question has always been "Where's the most fun to find a load of missions for someone at level x?"

Posted: June 16th, 2009, 20:45
by Baliame
Dr. kitteny berk wrote:I doubt it was directly wow that was to blame, idiocy and odd personality traits are more likely.
:above: When I was playing WoW, I never let it conflict with real life, it's basically why I quit, raiding guilds didn't like me prioritizing RL over them, but at least I never had any of the aforementioned problems. It's not the game that makes you go down, it's whether or not you can think rationally.

Posted: June 16th, 2009, 21:27
by Dog Pants
Baliame wrote:raiding guilds didn't like me prioritizing RL over them
I think this is a large part of the problem. When you need 25 people to do something, it needs organising well or doesn't happen. Therefore people get really pissy when you don't turn up because of real life stuff, and so some people start prioritising Warcraft over real life.

We'll never do 25 man stuff :P

Posted: June 16th, 2009, 22:40
by Joose
Dog Pants wrote: We'll never do 25 man stuff :P
Unless they let me play all my alts at the same time...

Posted: June 16th, 2009, 22:46
by Dr. kitteny berk
Did they make a lv17 25 man raid? :P

Posted: July 4th, 2009, 4:46
by Dr. kitteny berk
I think last night utterly epitomized 5punky wow.

Many, many, many deaths. Drunken (in game) healer, pygmy tank running into battle (with everyone else watching, looking confused) and outright teamspeak insanity.


More of this sort of thing!

Posted: July 4th, 2009, 12:28
by buzzmong
Drunken nutters.

Posted: July 4th, 2009, 14:03
by HereComesPete
Dr. kitteny berk wrote:I think last night utterly epitomized 5punky wow.

Many, many, many deaths. Drunken (in game) healer, pygmy tank running into battle (with everyone else watching, looking confused) and outright teamspeak insanity.


More of this sort of thing!
Indeed!

And I received muchos help from Berk, Roman and Rabs in a twinkfest of shiny new stuff. And enough mats to get my tailoring and enchanting nicely advanced. Much appreciated ladies!

Posted: July 4th, 2009, 14:33
by Roman Totale
I might need a run through Scarlet Monastery at some point too!