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Since I finally got all the skills I've talked about before, I bought a Tempest and fit it out with this, from the Wiki:

Highs: 6 X 1400mm Howitzer II, <strike>2 X Large Remote Armour Repairers</strike>, Salvager and Cloak (prob should have been a Tractor Beam, but I find it hard to shake the habit). Loaded with mixture of Nuclear, Fusion, Quake and Tremor.

Mids: 3 X Sensor Booster II, 1 X Tracking Computer II, 1 X 100mn Microwarpdrive I

Lows: 3 X Gyrostabilizer II, <strike>1 X Tracking Enhancer II, 2 X Reactor Control I or</strike> 2 X Tracking Enhancer II, 1 X Reactor Control II, Warp Control System thingy that stops jamming

I know this fit is for a fleet sniper, so needs a few mods for PVE, and I took it out into high sec (0.8 ) to try it out.

Since the rats there are all frigs though, I couldn't hit them at all - they just closed on me and pecked away at my shield. I had some Hammerhead I's which were able to kill them, but it was a bit worrying for a while - if I'd chosen to go to a lower sec area to try it out where the rats scramble you, without drones or the anti-jammer, it could have been rather embarrassing. Not massively damaging, as I got it for less than the insurance payback, but humiliating.

Obviously a BS is overkill for the lvl2 missions I've previously been doing, but with all things in Eve I like to start easy and build up once I (kind of) know what I'm doing.

So what am I doing wrong? Should I be using smaller guns for frigs, or can BS's never hit them at all? Should I build up my drone skills to use tech IIs? All of this from the BS to the large guns/artillery is completely new to me, biggest I've flown before is a BC with mediums, but I've had most flight-time in a stealth bomber.


BASIC INFO
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Name: kittychan
Gender: Female
Race: Minmatar
Bloodline: Sebiestor

Intelligence: 26.40
Charisma: 9.90
Perception: 17.60
Memory: 20.90
Willpower: 17.60

IMPLANTS
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+1 Perception : Limited Ocular felcher
+1 Memory : Limited Memory Augmentation
+1 Willpower : Limited Neural Boost
+1 Intelligence : Limited Cybernetic Subprocessor
+1 Charisma : Limited Social Adaptation Chip

SKILLS
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Drones, 3 Skills, 512,500 Points
: Drones V (1) 256,000/256,000 Points
: Mining Drone Operation I (2) 500/512,000 Points
: Scout Drone Operation V (1) 256,000/256,000 Points
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Electronics, 8 Skills, 1,181,597 Points
: Cloaking IV (6) 271,543/1,536,000 Points
: Electronic Warfare II (2) 4,124/512,000 Points
: Electronics V (1) 256,000/256,000 Points
: Electronics Upgrades V (2) 512,000/512,000 Points
: Long Range Targeting IV (2) 90,510/512,000 Points
: Propulsion Jamming I (3) 750/768,000 Points
: Survey IV (1) 45,255/256,000 Points
: Targeting II (1) 1,415/256,000 Points
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Engineering, 9 Skills, 1,408,413 Points
: Energy ejaculation Systems II (2) 2,829/512,000 Points
: Energy Grid Upgrades V (2) 512,000/512,000 Points
: Energy Management (none) (3) 64/768,000 Points
: Energy Pulse Weapons I (2) 500/512,000 Points
: Energy Systems Operation II (1) 1,415/256,000 Points
: Engineering V (1) 256,000/256,000 Points
: Shield Operation III (1) 8,000/256,000 Points
: Shield Upgrades IV (2) 90,516/512,000 Points
: Tactical Shield Manipulation IV (4) 537,089/1,024,000 Points
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Gunnery, 18 Skills, 4,812,592 Points
: Advanced Weapon Upgrades IV (6) 273,214/1,536,000 Points
: (Currently training to level V, completes 08/02/2008 02:56:57)
: Controlled Bursts I (2) 603/512,000 Points
: Gunnery V (1) 256,000/256,000 Points
: Large Artillery Specialization I (8 ) 2,000/2,048,000 Points
: Large Projectile Turret V (5) 1,280,000/1,280,000 Points
: Medium Artillery Specialization IV (5) 226,275/1,280,000 Points
: Medium Projectile Turret V (3) 768,000/768,000 Points
: Motion Prediction IV (2) 90,510/512,000 Points
: Rapid Firing IV (2) 90,510/512,000 Points
: Sharpshooter V (2) 512,000/512,000 Points
: Small Artillery Specialization IV (3) 135,765/768,000 Points
: Small Autocannon Specialization I (3) 750/768,000 Points
: Small Energy Turret II (1) 1,415/256,000 Points
: Small Hybrid Turret I (1) 255/256,000 Points
: Small Projectile Turret V (1) 256,000/256,000 Points
: Surgical Strike IV (4) 181,020/1,024,000 Points
: Trajectory Analysis IV (5) 226,275/1,280,000 Points
: Weapon Upgrades V (2) 512,000/512,000 Points
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Industry, 4 Skills, 403,126 Points
: Industry V (1) 256,000/256,000 Points
: Mass Production I (2) 500/512,000 Points
: Mining III (1) 8,000/256,000 Points
: Production Efficiency IV (3) 138,626/768,000 Points
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Learning, 10 Skills, 3,510,435 Points
: Analytical Mind V (1) 256,000/256,000 Points
: Clarity V (3) 768,000/768,000 Points
: Eidetic Memory V (3) 768,000/768,000 Points
: Empathy II (1) 1,415/256,000 Points
: Focus IV (3) 135,765/768,000 Points
: Instant Recall V (1) 256,000/256,000 Points
: Iron Will V (1) 256,000/256,000 Points
: Learning V (1) 256,000/256,000 Points
: Logic V (3) 768,000/768,000 Points
: Spatial Awareness IV (1) 45,255/256,000 Points
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Mechanic, 10 Skills, 940,487 Points
: Frigate Construction IV (2) 90,510/512,000 Points
: Hull Upgrades V (2) 512,000/512,000 Points
: Jury Rigging III (2) 16,000/512,000 Points
: Launcher Rigging (none) (3) 2/768,000 Points
: Mechanic V (1) 256,000/256,000 Points
: Projectile Weapon Rigging (none) (3) 446/768,000 Points
: Remote Armor Repair Systems III (2) 16,000/512,000 Points
: Repair Systems IV (1) 45,255/256,000 Points
: Salvaging II (3) 4,243/768,000 Points
: Shield Rigging (none) (3) 31/768,000 Points
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Missile Launcher Operation, 10 Skills, 1,071,910 Points
: Cruise Missiles IV (5) 227,233/1,280,000 Points
: Guided Missile Precision III (5) 40,691/1,280,000 Points
: Heavy Missiles IV (3) 135,765/768,000 Points
: Missile Bombardment IV (2) 90,510/512,000 Points
: Missile Launcher Operation V (1) 256,000/256,000 Points
: Missile Projection IV (4) 181,020/1,024,000 Points
: Rapid Launch IV (2) 90,510/512,000 Points
: Rockets II (1) 1,415/256,000 Points
: Standard Missiles III (2) 32,766/512,000 Points
: Target Navigation Prediction III (2) 16,000/512,000 Points
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Navigation, 4 Skills, 93,175 Points
: Afterburner IV (1) 45,255/256,000 Points
: High Speed Maneuvering I (5) 1,250/1,280,000 Points
: Navigation IV (1) 45,255/256,000 Points
: Warp Drive Operation II (1) 1,415/256,000 Points
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Science, 9 Skills, 264,540 Points
: Cybernetics I (3) 750/768,000 Points
: Electromagnetic Physics (none) (5) 112/1,280,000 Points
: High Energy Physics I (5) 1,250/1,280,000 Points
: Laboratory Operation II (1) 1,415/256,000 Points
: Mechanical Engineering I (5) 1,250/1,280,000 Points
: Minmatar Starship Engineering I (5) 1,250/1,280,000 Points
: Nuclear Physics I (5) 2,263/1,280,000 Points
: Research I (1) 250/256,000 Points
: Science V (1) 256,000/256,000 Points
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Social, 4 Skills, 32,917 Points
: Connections III (3) 24,000/768,000 Points
: Diplomacy I (1) 250/256,000 Points
: Negotiation I (2) 667/512,000 Points
: Social III (1) 8,000/256,000 Points
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Spaceship Command, 11 Skills, 4,592,310 Points
: Assault Ships I (4) 1,000/1,024,000 Points
: Battlecruisers IV (6) 271,530/1,536,000 Points
: Caldari Frigate (none) (2) 29/512,000 Points
: Covert Ops IV (4) 181,025/1,024,000 Points
: Destroyers IV (2) 281,696/512,000 Points
: Minmatar Battleship V (8 ) 2,048,000/2,048,000 Points
: Minmatar Cruiser IV (5) 226,275/1,280,000 Points
: Minmatar Frigate V (2) 512,000/512,000 Points
: Minmatar Industrial V (4) 1,024,000/1,024,000 Points
: Spaceship Command IV (1) 45,255/256,000 Points
: Transport Ships I (6) 1,500/1,536,000 Points
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Trade, 2 Skills, 17,662 Points
: Retail I (2) 500/512,000 Points
: Trade III (1) 17,162/256,000 Points
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I'm sure it's on the wiki, but here's my PVE set-up

6 X 1400mm Artillery, 2 X Cruise Missile Launchers
1 X large shield booster T2, 3 X T2 hardeners, 1 X Boost Amp
3 X T2 Gyros, 2 X T2 tracking enhancers, 1 X RCU
5 X T2 Mediums, 5 X T2 lights

Cloak and Warp Core Stabs both kill lock time and range these days. Leave them off.

Tempest is fairly unique amongst bs in that it can both shield tank or armour tank pretty well (but not both at the same time!). For PvE (Missions) I'd go for a shield tank (no need for tackling mods in the mid slots, generally soak up more dps and leaves your lows free for damage mods).

In other words, pretty much what Hehulk posted though for Level 2 missions I'd be inclined to used heavy / heavy assault missile launchers and/or smaller guns cos you'll be facing frigs and cruisers mostly. Then again, your drones can deal with them so why waste ammo. T1 drones are fine too.

friznit wrote:Cloak and Warp Core Stabs both kill lock time and range these days. Leave them off.

Ah, I wondered why they kept targeting me first even with all my sensory-boostery stuff. Still, it's scary not having WCS :S

friznit wrote:Tempest is fairly unique amongst bs in that it can both shield tank or armour tank pretty well (but not both at the same time!). For PvE (Missions) I'd go for a shield tank (no need for tackling mods in the mid slots, generally soak up more dps and leaves your lows free for damage mods).

In other words, pretty much what Hehulk posted though for Level 2 missions I'd be inclined to used heavy / heavy assault missile launchers and/or smaller guns cos you'll be facing frigs and cruisers mostly. Then again, your drones can deal with them so why waste ammo. T1 drones are fine too.

Ok - the last line of that fit are drones, then? Looks like that's what I need to train up next. Thanks, guys.

Also, like you said, tempest is complete and utter overkill for lv2 missions. You'd probably find you'd actually do them faster in something like a cyclone, which if you can T2 fit a tempest you can definatly T2 fit a cyclone. Same goes for lv3s, but lv4s a tempest, maelstrom or command ships would be your best bet

Hehulk wrote:Also, like you said, tempest is complete and utter overkill for lv2 missions. You'd probably find you'd actually do them faster in something like a cyclone, which if you can T2 fit a tempest you can definatly T2 fit a cyclone. Same goes for lv3s, but lv4s a tempest, maelstrom or command ships would be your best bet

Yeah, I don't really do missions very much. My money's all from ratting randomly with a few lucky drops and salvage, plus the odd bit of trade and stock marketing with my alt (who's now blockade-runner capable).

Bit of a pita that the WCS nerfs your targeting, since I tend to drift around rather aimlessly, it's saved me a few times from people camping gates and stuff. Perhaps with a BS I can gain a bit of confidence and not always be legging it at the first hint of danger, and since it cost massively less than I had planned for to buy and fit I wouldn't be too devastated if I had a little accident in it.