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Posted: February 6th, 2010, 1:39
by Mr. Johnson
Just finished the endgame.

MASSIVE spoiler ahead, you are warned.
Spoiler:
Lost Grunt, Jacob, Miranda, Mordin and Zaeed in the end. I was quite gutted that I lost so many team members, and this is mostly because after my crew got kidnapped, I actually wanted to go after them immediately rather then do more side missions, as I actually cared about them and wanted to rescue them. I don't know how bioware does this.
I really cared about all my team members, from mental Zaeed down to annoying bitch Miranda, and felt really bad about their deaths. The only time (from what I can remember) I had the same feelings of sadness about a fictional character was when Nancy died in Oliver Twist, and I was about 10. Cuddling with Tali afterwards was very therapeutic though.

Posted: February 6th, 2010, 2:22
by FatherJack
I'm just building up to going to the last bits. I've done every assignment and quest save the obvious game-progressing one, bought everything I can and have spent a slightly boring amount amount of time scanning every planetoid in the universe.

I'm still a way from unlocking all the upgrades and have only recently bothered with the ship upgrades, noticing rather too late that some of them would have assisted my scanning.

I also thought I had a doggy, but he wouldn't come off-world with me.

Posted: February 6th, 2010, 8:23
by Mr. Johnson
FatherJack wrote:I'm just building up to going to the last bits. I've done every assignment and quest save the obvious game-progressing one, bought everything I can and have spent a slightly boring amount amount of time scanning every planetoid in the universe.

I'm still a way from unlocking all the upgrades and have only recently bothered with the ship upgrades, noticing rather too late that some of them would have assisted my scanning.

I also thought I had a doggy, but he wouldn't come off-world with me.
That's what I should've done, but couldn't really be arsed doing more of the mining bit. I've kept a save from before the endgame though, so I still could.
I'm also wondering if there are pieces of armour I missed, and weapons and stuff. I never found a dog either.

Posted: February 6th, 2010, 10:28
by Dog Pants
Has anyone stood and listened to the batchelor party on Ilium? A human taking a Salarian and a Turian to see a stripper. Very funny.

Posted: February 6th, 2010, 11:25
by Mr. Johnson
Dog Pants wrote:Has anyone stood and listened to the batchelor party on Ilium? A human taking a Salarian and a Turian to see a stripper. Very funny.
I did, hilarious stuff!

Posted: February 6th, 2010, 11:54
by Roman Totale
Dog Pants wrote:Has anyone stood and listened to the batchelor party on Ilium? A human taking a Salarian and a Turian to see a stripper. Very funny.
It's ace!

Just to the other side of the lounge there is a Quarian female discussing boyfriend problems with a male Turian - it's absolutely priceless.

Posted: February 6th, 2010, 12:02
by Baliame
If you take Garrus and Tali, he tries to hit on her quite a few times as well.

Also, Mr. J, be sure everyone's loyal, when I finished the game, it might be a coincidence but
Spoiler:
I had 3 disloyal team members and I lost 3 in the endgame
.

Posted: February 6th, 2010, 12:20
by Dog Pants
Baliame wrote:If you take Garrus and Tali, he tries to hit on her quite a few times as well.
Glad you mentioned it. The first time I had Garrus and Miranda, but I've come back to tie up the Conrad thing and I have Garrus and Tali, just because I fancied showing Tali around.

Posted: February 6th, 2010, 12:36
by Baliame
Right, I think it happened on
Spoiler:
Illium
once and on
Spoiler:
the Citadel
once, I'm pretty sure the latter wasn't simply random.

Posted: February 6th, 2010, 12:50
by Mr. Johnson
I did have a conversation where Garrus reminisced about the elevators, and how much he liked it. He stopped after Tali mentioned she carried a shotgun.

Posted: February 6th, 2010, 16:48
by Shada
Baliame wrote:Also, Mr. J, be sure everyone's loyal, when I finished the game, it might be a coincidence but
Spoiler:
I had 3 disloyal team members and I lost 3 in the endgame
.
No coincidence

[final mission spoilers / pretty exact guide on how to win]
Spoiler:
Loyal members won't die or be killed easily - they can only die if you assign an important job to someone who isn't loyal, in which case either the unloyal member dies or he gets someone killed through incompetence or sheer bad luck. Also people can die despite loyalty if you make the wrong choices for the leaders/fire teams - but it's pretty obvious who has to do what in those situations anyway.

Loyal Mordin has a chance of dying randomly towards the end despite being the very model of a scientist salarian. Send him back as a guard for the rescued humans or take him with you for the boss battle and he'll be fine, as long as he's loyal.

If you don't have all the ship upgrades people will die on the initial attack, too. If you don't have any upgrades or any loyal members, every single person dies (including Shepard) and Joker becomes the main character. Bad end.

Posted: February 6th, 2010, 17:16
by Baliame
Question to Professor Shada:
Spoiler:
Is Joker assuming direct control (sorry, I had to) to finish the game though if Shepard dies? I mean he's crippled and I'm pretty sure he can't infiltrate a Collector station alone, not to mention killing a Reaper and escaping. Or does Shepard only die AFTER finishing the last mission? And if you take 2 disloyal teammates with you to fight the Reaper, will they let you fall?
Spoiler about ME2 ending + facts slash speculation about ME3:
Spoiler:
You can't import saves where Shepard dies into ME3 according to a guy who heard it from a guy who heard it from a guy who read it somewhere on the internet.
Also, judging by the weight of choices in ME2, I'd guess you can only "win" in ME3 if you save the Collector base unless Bioware brings up some bullshit explanation for recovering evaporated and disintegrated technology from the exploded station.
Unrelated to the previous one, light spoiler question.
Spoiler:
I wonder, does the Harbinger survive? I'm under the impression he's controlled by a Reaper.

Posted: February 6th, 2010, 18:46
by Roman Totale
I still haven't been through the Omega Relay - I seemed to have developed some sort of OCD over surveying every single planet in the galaxy and gathering minerals. I don't even need them - fairly sure I have every upgrade there is to get.


Probe away!

Posted: February 6th, 2010, 18:57
by Dog Pants
Roman Totale wrote:I still haven't been through the Omega Relay - I seemed to have developed some sort of OCD over surveying every single planet in the galaxy and gathering minerals. I don't even need them - fairly sure I have every upgrade there is to get.


Probe away!
It's like prodding a sore tooth isn't it? Scanning planets is soul destroyingly tedious, but I find I have to strip every system I visit bare.

Also, I do like the Garrus/Tali combo. Having a conversation with an Asari cop where I tell her to turn down a suicide mission, and those two funny cunts take the piss out of me.

Posted: February 6th, 2010, 19:00
by spoodie
Roman Totale wrote:Probe away!
I love launching probes!

Posted: February 6th, 2010, 19:03
by Shada
Baliame wrote:Question to Professor Shada:
Spoiler:
Is Joker assuming direct control (sorry, I had to) to finish the game though if Shepard dies? I mean he's crippled and I'm pretty sure he can't infiltrate a Collector station alone, not to mention killing a Reaper and escaping. Or does Shepard only die AFTER finishing the last mission? And if you take 2 disloyal teammates with you to fight the Reaper, will they let you fall?
Unrelated to the previous one, light spoiler question.
Spoiler:
I wonder, does the Harbinger survive? I'm under the impression he's controlled by a Reaper.
[all this spoilered stuff relates to bali's spoilered stuff]
Spoiler:
Shepard dies after killing the human reaper and nuking/gassing the base. Just before dying he says it's up to Joker to tell everyone about the reapers and not to let them win. Joker then has the chat with the illusive man that Shepard would've had had he not died, looks at all the coffins in the cargo bay, limps about the ship in a sad way, then looks out to space in the most heroic stance he can make with his crippled limbs.

Disloyal teammates that come with you for the final boss fight will likely just die from being crushed or from the fall, so Shepard has to run out on his own. That probably would get Shepard killed too.

I'm pretty sure the Harbinger is a reaper who mind controls the collector leader. If I remember rightly (I don't know why I'm fuzzy on it, I only completed it a week ago), just before the base is about to explode you hear him say something about relinquishing control and finding a better way, and the collector leader makes a sad face at the camera before he dies. So the Harbinger still exists as a nasty deep voice, ready to fuck shit up for you in the third game.
spoodie wrote: I love launching probes!
Launching a probe at Uranus is a good easter egg

Posted: February 6th, 2010, 19:35
by Baliame
I also just rewatched a certain ending in which Shepard said:
Spoiler:
Harbinger is coming.
I guess it's true.
Spoiler:
He's probably something like a leader.
I wonder, what's the deal with that planet/star behind the Illusive Man?
Spoiler:
It seems to change color depending on ending.
I've also concluded from the last 3 seconds of the ending that
Spoiler:
the Reapers have arrived at Coruscant.

Posted: February 6th, 2010, 19:39
by Dog Pants
Baliame wrote:I wonder, what's that planet/star behind the Illusive Man?
My current theory on that is it's the star that Tali was investigating, with the Geth planet where you had to stay in the shadows. Something about it having dark matter in it or something. I've heard dark matter mentioned elsewhere too. It's not a great theory, but in videogame plot terms I reckon it's as good as any other. Wibbly star = dark matter and strange effects.

Posted: February 6th, 2010, 19:51
by Baliame
:above: You can't handle it solely as a video game now, there's books and stuff out there already, but yeah it's pretty mediocre. It's how Star Wars started, except it was a movie trilogy instead of a game trilogy.

Anyone else stayed and listened to the Newton thing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLpgxry5 ... o_response

Not spoilery, but if you want to listen to it yourself, it's in the Citadel where the Normandy drops you off.

Posted: February 6th, 2010, 19:54
by Mr. Johnson
Something that also bothers me is that my romantic subplot with Tali might eventually kill her in Mass effect 3, what with the Quarian immune system and whatnot. Or that Liara will find out and kick me in the nuts or something.
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