Griefing

[Dog Pants]

When it comes down to just using a weapon or vehicle, I don't think it really counts as griefing. I don't use the grenade launcher because it annoys people, I use it because I want to. If I was using it in some odd way, like bunny hopping and firing it at my feat, or crashing suicide jeeps into tanks, etc I can understand it being called griefing, but just using it properly - and being good with it, which seems to be the problem a lot of the time - doesn't strike me as being wrong. I loathe the good jet/chopper whores in BF2, they definitely ruin my fun, but I don't consider them griefers. They're not doing it to piss me off or abusing the game mechanics in an unsportsmanlike way, they're just doing what they're supposed to do, and doing it well.

I can see your point, and I'd agree that using something because it's your style of play isn't griefing. I don't consider chopper whores griefers, just bloody annoying. As I've said before, I define a griefer by their intent to spoil a game rather than the effect of it.

I can feel undercurrents of the COD4 thing influencing the replies of quite a few people here, which really wasn't my original intention, but wasn't unexpected. I'd rather sort that one out separately though, if it can be sorted out.

[Dr. kitteny berk]

I reckon Joose is on the right lines here, not just for cod, for anything 5punk plays as a group.

We've always had little mostly unspoken rules in a lot of our more popular games, and until fairly recently griefing wasn't something 5punk did much at all, especially not on our own servers

Yes, we've always pissed around, but only as long as everyone's having fun with whatever we're doing.

[Gunslinger42]

If that minority of people keep using the launcher, even though a lot of people don't like them using it, then that is bad. If you are doing it even though you know lots of people don't like you doing it, then that's being a selfish cock. I think calling it "griefing" is muddying the issue by using stupid made up technical terms.

I don't think it matters why it annoys people, or how it annoys people. Minority of players annoying majority of players is bad, "griefing" or no.

I don't consider using a weapon (or vehicle, like chopper whores in beef) properly despite knowing other players don't like it any more selfish than expecting people to not use certain weapons/vehicles because you personally don't like them. People didn't like me destroying entire teams with a tank, but no one demanded that I didn't, either.

The point could be argued back and forth all day though, so for the sake of not turning this into an even bigger cod argument I'll not continue after this post.

[Baliame]

[goating machine]

IT'S A MACHINE VENDING GOATS. DO WANT.

My point is that it doesn't matter if what you are doing is technically ok, or is ok to you, or ok to other people on other servers. What matters is the server you are on. I know this is fast turning into another noob tubing argument, but I think its a good example of what i mean in general terms anyway, so I'll push on.

A lot of people on the 5punk server don't like the grenade launcher.
A few people on the 5punk server don't care either way.
A minority of people (like one or two, as far as I, an outsider, can tell) on the 5punk server like using the grenade launcher.

If that minority of people keep using the launcher, even though a lot of people don't like them using it, then that is bad. If you are doing it even though you know lots of people don't like you doing it, then that's being a selfish cock. I think calling it "griefing" is muddying the issue by using stupid made up technical terms.

I don't think it matters why it annoys people, or how it annoys people. Minority of players annoying majority of players is bad, "griefing" or no.

I'd like to respond to your wall of text using a wall of text.

Exactly why I stopped playing CoD4. Everyone cannot be satisfied but this is taking the piss now. I'm trying to improve my gaming experience just a little, since 1) I don't have the lightning reflexes some people do for this game 2) I just plain suck with most of the regular guns. Noobtube is a part of the game just like any other fucking gun and I believe I should be able to use it. I don't see noobtubing as griefing as it's a legal gameplay tactic of subtly raising your usefulness. Noobtube jumping is possibly hitting close to the border of griefing, again, it's just a combination of tactics, heck I could say jumping is as much of a tactic as camping and using a noobtube is the tactic of using a fucking weapon, just like using p90 is "using a weapon".

Bottom line, you really can't call me a selfish cock, I got fed up with all the shit orbitting CoD4 and stopped playing

I think Berk killing everyone all the time is annoying too. Can we make him not kill?

Anyway, keeping it CoD free from now on, let this issue die.

[Shada]

I think Berk killing everyone all the time is annoying too. Can we make him not kill?

We do, we stop him killing by killing him. And he doesn't like it.

[Dog Pants]

This isn't the cod4 bitching thread, so stop bitching about cod4 please. I mentioned that earlier I think.

[Joose]

I don't consider using a weapon (or vehicle, like chopper whores in beef) properly despite knowing other players don't like it any more selfish than expecting people to not use certain weapons/vehicles because you personally don't like them. People didn't like me destroying entire teams with a tank, but no one demanded that I didn't, either.

My point is that its all to do with the numbers. If one person is doing something that a load of people don't like, hes being selfish. And, yes, If one person is saying you shouldn't do something because just one person doesn't like it, then *they* are being selfish. Thats kinda the definition of "selfish"; only considering yourself and not others.

This doesn't just apply to CoD4 by the way, I was just using that as an example. To take another (less topical) example: auto-sniper in CS. Its perfectly allowable in the rules, but people in 5punk don't like it if thats all you use, so its generally accepted that you don't use it all the time, if at all. A non 5punk based example was when we used to play AvP2 at uni: the smartgun is stupid powerful and makes the game not fun to play for anyone who doesn't have a smart gun, so we didn't use it.

Bottom line, you really can't call me a selfish cock

Please, don't anyone take what I was saying as a personal insult, it really, genuinely wasn't directed at anyone in particular. I don't even play CoD4 (due to being shite at it regardless of what weapon I use, and not even shite in a fun way).

[Dr. kitteny berk]

This doesn't just apply to CoD4 by the way, I was just using that as an example. To take another (less topical) example: auto-sniper in CS. Its perfectly allowable in the rules, but people in 5punk don't like it if thats all you use, so its generally accepted that you don't use it all the time, if at all. A non 5punk based example was when we used to play AvP2 at uni: the smartgun is stupid powerful and makes the game not fun to play for anyone who doesn't have a smart gun, so we didn't use it.

All of this so fucking hard.

99% of 5punkers didn't care that everything above a scout being banned on CSS.

99% of 5punkers didn't care about the rules we had on BEEF.

This stuff has always applied on 5punk, and always will, it makes games more fun and fairer for the majority.

[Baliame]

Bottom line, you really can't call me a selfish cock

Please, don't anyone take what I was saying as a personal insult, it really, genuinely wasn't directed at anyone in particular. I don't even play CoD4 (due to being shite at it regardless of what weapon I use, and not even shite in a fun way).

Don't get me wrong, I don't take stuff personally (if I would, I'd be following the example of certain other people, download some spyware from a post, get fed up and leave ), but I was one of those people you described, so I felt a little need to defend my point. I was trying to say that it's true, I'm probably either a selfish cock or quit the game

[Nickface]

I don't mean to rehash the same stuff that's been said over and over again, but I'm going to throw down my two cents.

There's a huge difference between taking the fun away from people simply by beating them at a game, and setting out with the specific purpose of ruining the game of others. For example, I may get slightly annoyed by getting my ass kicked in CoD, but I'm not going to think anyone is out to ruin my game.

Now on the other hand, examples of people going out to ruin the game of others... sealing the exits in TEEF, "kidnapping" in BEEF, People who use aimbots blatantly in the open... that kind of shit is just immature and whenever I encounter that stuff I just move on to somewhere else.

[Fear]

I like to think I never grief.

The closest I ever got was when I used the planes in BEEF, but it's my role to get in a plane and WTFPWN the other team, as is their role to organise some air defence and take me out of the skies. It's how I met you lot in the first place!

Griefing to me is the causing of breakdown of gameplay, or performing an action which pisses someone else off which in no way helps your team win.

To be honest, I don't play most FPS with 5punkers because a certain few people seem a little too good to me. When I get that feeling I simply leave the server.

I did enjoy the zombie cs:s mods tho

ZOMBIE TOWERS GO

[Nickface]

I did enjoy the zombie cs:s mods tho

ZOMBIE TOWERS GO

*Fires up CS:S to play that again*

[Baliame]

http://www.ibisgaming.com

Pretty decent zombie server, and you can get a reserved slot for 2 bucks a month.

[buzzmong]

To be honest, I don't play most FPS with 5punkers because a certain few people seem a little too good to me. When I get that feeling I simply leave the server.

'Slinger doesn't count, we all know he's the pawn of ROBO and made out of old toaster parts.

Seriously though, you reckon some of us cheat?

[Baliame]

Come on, you know Slinger is not hacking. He himself is the hax.

[Shada]

Seriously though, you reckon some of us cheat?

I read it more as "These people are too good at video games" rather than "These people are cheating at video games"

[spoodie]

I use an aimbot ... for teabagging.

[Dog Pants]

I use a teabagbot for aiming.

[Anhamgrimmar]

YO DAWG, WE HERD U LIEK TO BOT, SO WE PUT A BOT IN YO BOT, SO U CAN BOT WHILE YOU BOTTIN'!

[Roman Totale]

ZOMBIE TOWERS GO