OMG WTF RULES?

[spoodie]

You know what I don't like about people who play CoD? Most of them are better than me and I don't get many kills. It's quite annoying. Especially when I'm not allowed to get some cheap shots in with a grenade launcher.

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Actually that's not the only reason I went off CoD, so I'm not really serious.

[deject]

but we're not banning the grenade launcher at all, it's just jumping around like a large redneck named bubba just stuck it up your ass without lube and using the grenade launcher.

[spoodie]

I'm sure I've been moaned at for n00bin. But I'm not bothered, bored of the game now.

[Baliame]

But I'm not bothered, bored of the game now.

[Dr. kitteny berk]

I'm sure I've been moaned at for n00bin. But I'm not bothered, bored of the game now.

That's pretty much standard, there'll always be a shout of noobtubing bastard if you get a kill with it, same for snipers.

happens in beef too.

[Nickface]

Did anyone remember Dark horses 2: Jedi Knight? There was a whole combat system for that game with lightsabers that involved chained moves and various stances and such. There were also animated moves that would do a shit ton of damage. One move was called the back stab that was basically an instant kill. One some wise ass figured out he could knock someone down and charge them while running backwards, everyone starting doing that. It became so prevalent and so dominant that the term coined for it was called "Assfighting." Eventually the developers had to patch it, making the move do less damage, which meant that when you did an animated move, you would basically get fucked.

Now, I'm just rambling now, but I think that's all a good example of the "if you can do it in the game, it's legit" style of play. Just because you can do it only means that other people will do it because they want the unlock, or they want the top slot, or because they want their clan to win the match or whatever. Eventually everyone does the same damn lame thing and the game transforms into something that isn't even remotely like the game to begin with. I know it's not such an extreme situation with CoD, but that's the kind of path that sort of mentality can take.

But like the comic says: quit getting mad at video games. Like I would say about CS:S, the win button is F10. If you're getting annoyed by a video game, quitting it means you're the overall winner and didn't let it get the best of you.

[Dr. kitteny berk]

But like the comic says: quit getting mad at video games. Like I would say about CS:S, the win button is F10. If you're getting annoyed by a video game, quitting it means you're the overall winner and didn't let it get the best of you.

Personally, I don't get annoyed by games, I'm not 12.

However, I do get very annoyed by 5punkers acting like shits in games, Especially when all they're doing is annoying other 5punkers, and ruining the game for everyone.

[Dog Pants]

Nice example Nickface.

As I've said before in this thread, most of us seem to just quit rather than getting angry. This is why our COD games last about an hour then die because everyone starts leaving.

Regardless of arguments about the right or wrong of bunnyhopping, whether servers should restrict weapons, rights of the individual vs rights of the group, how good/bad COD4/UO/BEEF/CSS is and why you love/hate it, and every other rant that has appeared, it's Berk's server. He pays for it when all's said and done, so he should really be able to call the shots.

[TezzRexx]

Mrrrh, Niceface and Boose are probably right.

I'm indifferent to the actual bunny hopping and noob-a-de-tube-a-de-ing that goes on but perhaps we should ban it. I didn't really take into consideration that the older COD games didn't allow this and the old folks don't like the fact it can be done in COD4 and were getting put off.

Perhaps a trial run? Ban the noob-tubing (with warning, don't just kick/ban the fuck out of them, at least let people know they've done something wrong) for say a month, if numbers don't change/the old folks don't come back, then.. idk do a barrel roll?

[Anery]

The noobtube is a tool of the game, jumping is a tool of the game. Bunnyhopping and excessive noobtubing are exploits of said tools. I don't play much CoD, I'm shit, I try to join the 5cheduled games and I generally have fun on them - not often seeing people hopping about like mad bastards. I do see it a lot on other peoples servers.
TEEF and UT are designed to be tournament style games, exploits are generally accepted as being legit tactics, CoD and BEEF are not those types of games, they are designed to be more realistic. Perhaps people should RP their FPS games, would you really grenade spam in a built up area? No, would you really be jumping up and down whilst assaulting an enemy position - not bloody likely, the canny bastards will have your head exploded. But RPing is a personal preference and doesn't fit an FPS at all, and realistic damage would be a pain (one shot kills wouldnt be very popular, grenades going off twenty feet away killing you would raise complaints)
The arguement comes down to respect, do you respect your fellow 5punkers and gamers by not exploiting the game to get one over them? or do you carry on regardless?

[Gunslinger42]

Banning the noob tube isn't the solution, mainly because the noobtube itself isn't the problem. Bunnyhopping seems to be whats annoying most people, so perhaps be stricter about that. If someones bunny hopping a bit too much let us vote kick them for two minutes

[Dog Pants]

Banning the noob tube isn't the solution, mainly because the noobtube itself isn't the problem. Bunnyhopping seems to be whats annoying most people, so perhaps be stricter about that. If someones bunny hopping a bit too much let us vote kick them for two minutes

I agree. The GL isn't excessively annoying on its own. Well it can be, but not much more than any other weapon.

[Grimmie]

Banning the noob tube isn't the solution, mainly because the noobtube itself isn't the problem. Bunnyhopping seems to be whats annoying most people, so perhaps be stricter about that. If someones bunny hopping a bit too much let us vote kick them for two minutes

I like this.

If someone switches to the grenade launcher every time they spawn, that's fine. Shit, people chuck regular grenades or stun grenades the second they spawn, too. I switch to the fucking lethal RPG and take point blank kills with the bastard, completely ignoring my primary weapon.

Generally bunnyhopping has been seen as bad sport in most online games, I'm happy to scrap that or at least restrict it. Jumping's good, ninja climbing is fucking encouraged. Jumping with every single corner you take is bad, but I can't see it being a bannable offense.

Maybe as someone suggested, a 5-10 minute kick might be a better solution, and to only do so if enough people on the server at the time raise issue with it. I've seen there's people in this thread who don't care whether or not people bunnyhop.

It might be a better idea to open the voting system again, so we can votekick if enough people are riled up about it at the time.

[buzzmong]

I concur with the statements to clamp down on bunny hopping.

The problem with the 'tube is that it's overpowered in hardcore. That's it.
It's fine in normal as unless they hit really close to you they won't kill you, but in hardcore it just does far too much damage and puts it in a different league to the other weapons.

Couple it with the bunny hopping and it just emphasizes it's strength (the fact that accuracy isn't important with it) as you're aiming at the floor by people rather than at people, which leads to a high kill rate with it.

We can't do anything about people using a valid in game weapon, which is a good thing, however we can do something about people bouncing around like loons.

[Gunslinger42]

The problem with the 'tube is that it's overpowered in hardcore. That's it.
It's fine in normal as unless they hit really close to you they won't kill you, but in hardcore it just does far too much damage and puts it in a different league to the other weapons.

I disagree. Other weapons in hardcore can kill you with one shot, so having a grenade that kills you when landing somewhere within a 5m radius of you doesn't seem like a problem to me.

[Dog Pants]

I disagree. Other weapons in hardcore can kill you with one shot, so having a grenade that kills you when landing somewhere within a 5m radius of you doesn't seem like a problem to me.

I disagree with your disagreement The GL seems to be able to kill me with an explosion from halfway across the map, and it gives me a mini-rage, but, I can live with that. It's only when I get killed by the same person five times in a row in the same method that it gets me annoyed enough to quit. Really it only comes down to realising when people are annoyed in a "haha, I died. Fuck" kind of way rather than a "I died the same way again and I'm not enjoying this anymore". If we can do that, and I think we can, then there's no need for restrictions on which weapons should be allowed or not.

[buzzmong]

I disagree. Other weapons in hardcore can kill you with one shot, so having a grenade that kills you when landing somewhere within a 5m radius of you doesn't seem like a problem to me.

From a realism point it's fine I'll agree with you on that, but seeing as all the other weapons you actually have to aim properly with (even hand grenades give you a margin to escape from, as you generally seem them bounce so you can scarper), means that it's just giving you two really really easy kills.

I've still not got a major problem with it, barring the fact 1 round would have been much better for it, just the accompanying bunny hopping makes it extra deadly.

[Lateralus]

Woah there, hold your horses. Reading back through these last few posts, it sounds like reasoned opinions are being put forward and some form of consensus is being reached with regard to people using the GL in moderation, but not as the only weapon, and not in conjunction with constant bunny-hopping. Jumping to scale obstacles seems to be fine, but having the space-bar as your automatic reaction to seeing movement seems to not be fine.

If this is indeed a reasoned discussion, with a consensus being reached, then who are you all and what have you done with the 5punkers?

[buzzmong]

CoD 4. Serious Business.

[deject]

You know, now that I think about it, this is exactly the same move that everyone completely hated in BF2, hopping around like an ass and shooting the grenade launcher.