BEEF: BACON 2

[buzzmong]

I've just been browsing the Dice forums for Bacons.

I was expecting it, but general consensus is that M60 is overpowered (although reasons vary) but the noob tubes are a definite problem.

Interesting to see what happens in the next client update.

As a side note, spawn raping seems more previlant in this game, but from the conquest maps I played, it seems to be a function of map design more than anything else because there is often only one route out of a base, or only one place to spawn from.

I remember at least BF2 for most maps having multiple uncappable spawn points for various sides in order to reduce the rape.

Also beef seemed to have bigger combat areas, or at least the boundaries extended a bit further out, I do find them a bit restrictive in Bacons.

Edit: I also think the M1 Garand is now broken, it just wasn't working earlier today at all.

[Dog Pants]

I don't recall multiple spawn points for BEEF, but I could be wrong. I do recall some terrible spawn raping, but that was usually met by serious admin intervention. Part of the problem I see in the spawn raping is the fact that, like you say, the maps are smaller. I've found myself having to back off a capture point in an IFV so I'm not pumping explosive rounds into their spawn point. Other than that I like the smaller maps, they're more about the fighting than running about playing musical flags. Being able to spawn on any squad member also encourages the spawn raping too - not only do you have to hunt down the dick in your base who hides in a building shooting people as they spawn, but now you have to get his whole squad too. On the other hand, on conquest maps I like it when idiots spawn camp - I rarely spawn there and while they're doing that they can't be out capturing points. It's a fucker when they steal your vehicles though.

As for the Garand, I've never had the loadout option despite it being in unlocked, and I've never been shot by one. I think it's always been broken.

[Dr. kitteny berk]

The M1 worked yesterday.

3-4 shots centre mass = dead person.

My loadout for everything but medic has been revolver, M1, magnum ammo.

Not great for CQB, but for mid range, the stopping power of a battle rifle is a godsend.

[Mr. Johnson]

I'm not too bothered about the spawnraping, it's annoying but I can't remember playing a game where spawnraping didn't occur. You can't really expect that everyone takes the moral high ground.
I'm also pretty sure BEEF didn't have multiple spawn points, other then the airfield on maps that had jets.

[Dr. kitteny berk]

Apparently (I've not tested) engineers can repair mcom stations.

Makes me wonder if you can kill them with the windygun too.


Oh, and massive stat padding potential if you can get enough people to get a server started.

[Dr. kitteny berk]

Been playing.

Looks like you can't fix or kill mcom points with a windy gun, not a huge surprise.


However, I was thinking about the stat padding thing.

It's totally possible to get at up to 390 points per mcom point destroyed, on an empty server.

Need assault with C4 (with both asplosives upgrades)

Make squad, give attack order.
6x C4 on point.
Detonate. (180 points with order)
Rearm self.
6 more C4.
Arm point. (if it lets you, sometimes doesn't, for some reason) (40 points)
Detonate. (170 points)

Works out at 3000+ points a map (depending if it's 8 or 10 points), plus best squad, ace, and a couple of mcom destruction pins

Downside is you can only do it as assault, and it's stat padding, but not at the expense of anyone else, so not massively evil.

[Dog Pants]

So there's no minimum players like there is in BEEF? That's probably being explioted as we speak. Speaking of which, anyone noticed the guy at the top of the league table? A 93 K/D ratio, compared to the next nearest which is in single figures. Cheating much?

[Mr. Johnson]

Reminds me of when BEEF first came out, and there was a guy at the top of the leaderboards for weeks, who was later found out to be a filthy HAXX0R.

[FatherJack]

Could be a bug, I remember some people had lap times of zero in Forza due to some wierd glitch. XBL probably still banned them.

[Anhamgrimmar]

Flying ATV's anyone? I've seen videos of people filling a crater with c4/mines, then driving friendly vehicles over them. throw a grenade or blow the C4 and watch the (manned) vehicle heading out of the map!



Also, berk, you can try that mcomm trick with Recons (C4), Assaults(C4), or Engineers (Mines). And if you're a medic, try picking up one of the other 3 kits. AFAIK the points count towards what kit you spawned with, not what you haver picked up at the time!

[Dog Pants]

I've looked into this chopper at the #1 spot, and he's a stat padder. There's videos of him doing it in BEEF on Youtube.

Not that it's hard to cheat in BACONS;
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NTUGyM5EO8[/media]

Needless to say, I hope no 5punker would consider actually following the links on that and using those hacks.

Lastly, the mine thing with the M-COMs. I've tried it several times with absolutely no effect. Am I being a spaz, or are we just going off hearsay? It would be nice as an engineer to have a little bonus points cow.

[FatherJack]

Also, berk, you can try that mcomm trick with Recons (C4), Assaults(C4), or Engineers (Mines). And if you're a medic, try picking up one of the other 3 kits. AFAIK the points count towards what kit you spawned with, not what you haver picked up at the time!

I thought it needed to be Assault so you could replenish yourself.

[Dr. kitteny berk]

I thought it needed to be Assault so you could replenish yourself.

any class with explosives can get some points.

but only assault can destroy an mcom station without 3rd party support as they can give themselves ammo.

[Mr. Johnson]

When do you get C4 as an assault class?

[Pnut]

When do you get C4 as an assault class?

When you use a gun that can`t fit a launcher

[Mr. Johnson]

Ahh. I always use a launcher so never got that option.

[Dr. kitteny berk]

Actually.

Jamham may be on to something, you need a helper bitch.

But spawn as class you want to pad, get helper to spawn as suitable assault class.

Execute helper.

[Dr. kitteny berk]

Apparently EA don't have a master server system, what they have instead is a field mouse named Gerald that powers a ZX Spectrum that lists all the servers in the game.
Unfortunately Gerald just had a heart attack

I fear that may be true.

[buzzmong]

http://twitter.com/Demize99/status/10833476163

Going back to the studio tomorrow to work on Balance tweaks. On the list: M60, M1911, and AA. Up, down, sideways? I won't say...

Heh

[Dog Pants]

AA? Christ, I hope they don't put it down. It's not like it's game-altering. The other two I've died on the end of enough to think they'll be nerfed.