5punk

PvE is dull when everything is grinding.

PvP would be fun if there were more 5punkers interested.

Raiding makes no sense when everyone has the same shit.

Meh.

I was playing on a PVE server a week or so ago (random spark of interest in this game brought me back to it after 2 years - remember when it had red mutant bears and zombies? Last time I played...), it had mods on it to try and reduce the grind, that let you level up things like wood-chopping, which meant more wood per hit, etc.

but games like this seem to have a difficult line to tread between with regards to "this is too grindy / this is too annoying when everything is stolen/destroyed/killed" and "this is now boring and pointless".

in unrelated notes, I'm now considering giving another old game a fresh go: Planetside 2. Played about 3 hours of it when it first came out, then set it aside for something else.