BF2142 - PC

[Dr. kitteny berk]

or you're probably just a cupcake.

well, that totally invalidated the whole review

[Sandwich]

well, that totally invalidated the whole review

and that validated my point, thus validating the review

[Lateralus]

To be fair, it doesn't. Saying "I like this, you must like this or you're a cupcake" is rubbish. The whole point of 5punk is that it encompasses a whole range of games to attract all sorts of people. We have mmongs in there masses at the bottom of the forum who play little else, and thats fair enough.

But even for those of us who do like FPS games, liking one does not equate to liking them all. Even with games as generally similar as BF2 and 2142, liking one does not automatically lead to liking the other. Therefore to discount someone's opinion as wrong just doesn't work.

5punk to me has always been about "I like this game, I'll see if some others do. If so, Yay; if not, oh well." You seem to be stating your whole subjective review on the idea that you think the game is great and any other opinions get dismissed out of hand. Saying stuff like "fear is completely wrong on both counts ofcourse [sic]" doesn't really add to the debate, and is unlike to change people's minds. Validating this, invalidating that - its all just bollocks.

If you like 2142, then I hope you enjoy playing it. For me and my limited gaming budget, it doesn't appear to offer enough variety over BF2 to warrent me spending my money on it. It doesn't make me a cupcake because I don't want to play it, and I don't think anyone else is a cupcake because they do play it.

Here endeth the soliloquy. Consider yourself slayed.

[mrbobbins]

and that validated my point, thus validating the review

Erm...

Right.

[Roman Totale]

The only way to validate an argument is with or with

[cashy]

But

Hehehe.... but

[Fear]

Well i've had another play tonight, I'm desperate to get some fun for my money and if I'm honest it is better than last time I played. I think this was only becuase the server played good maps. There are a lot of shit ones, but some real good ones. Berlin wotsit is good.

I've also got my wings now in much the same way as I had in BF2. Walkers die on the 2nd pass of my hover plane thing I like flying things.

My biggest problem over everything is the performance of the game. Granted I dont have the best graphics card ever, but it isn't shit either, and the PC is fairly new. So happily playing along and if arty falls anywhere in my POV my FPS drops to under 5. What kind of shit is that? I am playing in 800x600 now and it still does it.

I would give the game 6/10 I think personally. Certainly no more.

If I could roll back the clock would I buy it again? I dont think I would, i'd rather go to the pub a couple of times I think.

BF2 anyone?


Edit: I forgot to say I don't play Titan mode, imho it is why the game has been getting bad reviews - it highlights all the bad points about BF2142, things like the shoddy network code, 3D engine can't cope with the amount of stuff going on, etc. Stay away from this and you'll have twice as much fun.

[Dr. kitteny berk]

and that validated my point, thus validating the review

No it didn't.

The idea of a review is to present an honest non-biased appraisal of a product or service, allowing others to make more informed choices as to whether said product or service would suit their needs or desires.

Making totally baseless statements such as "If you don't like this ... You're probably a cupcake" doesn't really work in that respect, does it? Next time try "This game may appeal to people who liked BF2, However it is quite different to bf2 in many respects, so try the demo before buying" That way people will be able to make an informed choice on the game.

To me it seemed your review stinks of purchase validation, you pretty much have blinkers to the bugs, such as the lagging on titans. (which was there and well known in the beta) Though in the same respect, you've totally skipped a "Stuff that rocks" section, making it seem as though there's no truely remarkable features in the game, despite your comments in the review.

There are also some glaring technical misunderstandings such as

i haven't actually noticed any anti-aliasing yet.

Which makes it sound like the game is full of horrible jaggys (Read Me) or that you've not actually played with the settings properly.

Other than that, great review.

Oh, and the score also stinks of purchase validation, very few games will ever rate that highly, it should be truly exceptional to get a score over 8, rather than great (according to you) or alright (according to people i respect the opinions of)

I'm ignoring your attempt at a personal insult as it was almost as poor as the review - try finding some of the insults I've directed at you in the past for a guide on how to do it.

[Nickface]

I win.

End of thread.

[Dr. kitteny berk]

I win.

End of thread.

Not allowed yet, WEY has to get upset at me for being honest first.

[Duke of Ted]

I think Sandwich wrote the review in this way because when 2142 was first played by a few 5punkers there were cries of:
"this is fucking shit, worst battlefield evar! Do not buy this game!"
When it's not as bad as some might think. I would give it 8/10.

[Dr. kitteny berk]

I think Sandwich wrote the review in this way because when 2142 was first played by a few 5punkers there were cries of:
"this is fucking shit, worst battlefield evar! Do not buy this game!"
When it's not as bad as some might think. I would give it 8/10.

I'm pretty sure that was mostly said in relation to the betas (which were, IME pretty bad) however the box I currently have access to won't play beef well, so i'm reserving my judgement on the final until I get home and have chance to play it on a decent machine.

Personally I'm pretty torn on 2142, given I played the beta a fair bit, I know I will not enjoy titan mode and conquest would only really interest me if the game (again, IME from the beta) felt good, which it didn't (for reasons posted in depth elsewhere) mainly the tanks handling like shit on ice, infantry being pretty useless in maps so large (*)

Certainly I can't see myself being nearly as enthusiastic about 2142 as I was with BF2, mainly because of the reasons above (and elsewhere on here)

This is without the adverts taken into consideration, as I've not seen them in use yet, only the placeholder billboards, so that's another thing that leans me slightly away from 2142 and towards other games such as Quake Wars, which seems to have the potential to be a truly outstanding game, rather than something thrown together in 12 months as what is effectively a thorough mod (though more has been done than a mod team could as the public SDK is quite limited for BF2)


*Beta, titan only, IME

[Joose]

Good christ, im agreeing with Berk.


THE END TIMES COMETH!

[Dog Pants]

I think Lat pretty much tied it up about six posts ago. It's very similar to BEEF, but different enough for people to for a different opinion of it. Like he said, if you can afford to get 2142 and Quake Wars then you might as well because 2142 is an enjoyable game and is worth playing (IMHO), but if you can only afford one then it might be worth waiting to see how QW fares. I've not seen a release date for QW, and for all we know it might be a pile of pants, so I bought 2142. If QW turns out better then I'll get that too.

To semi-reiterate my opinion on 2142, I've not really noticed any of the bad things that people have been harping on about:

There are small issues with being inside moving Titans, but these are being fixed and aren't game altering for me.
I've not noticed a single advertisement board yet (not that they're not there - I just haven't noticed them).
Sprint, for a fat heavy AT (naturally), seems okay to me and you can upgrade it if you're not happy.
Vehicles are only as powerful as they are in BEEF and you don't get jet whores because the aircraft all seem more like helicopters to me.
The maps I've played are too big for infantry, and this wasn't very enjoyable, but it was a Titan map and I've seen that the Conquest maps are much smaller.

As Berk said, don't base your opinion on the beta/demo/internet's opinion. Until you play the game you can't really comment on it with any authority. On the other hand though, if you hated BEEF then you'll probably hate this too.

[Dog Pants]

Just played the Berlin conquest map, and I'm very impressed. The map is only a few hundred meters wide and the fighting is shoulder-to-shoulder. In the Titan maps you hardley ever see anyone else unless you're in the titan. In the game I just played I could walk out onto the street and see at least a dozen friendlies blazing away at distant enemies, and that's all round from start to finish. Not much room for tactics you might say, but damn it was good.

[Fear]

you don't get jet whores because the aircraft all seem more like helicopters to me.

Not true, you can get tremendous speed in the helihoverplanes, and now I've gotten used to it I can kill something nearly on every pass and the AA is completely useless*.

What makes it much easier than BF2 is if a squad leader spots something I can see if miles away and get my pass perfectly in line and begin firing before the target is even in visual range.

Also with the walkers aim for the legs, they are so big it is easy in the helihoverplanes and you knock about 2/3 health from them with a good pass where you get every missile away.

I've given up using the TV Missiles as the principle of everyone on the internet is a 12 yo cupcake comes in here and you end up hovering in front of a tank and they are doing fuck all, and if you let the tank get two shots off you're a gonna. May as well just buzz them with the pilot missiles.


*As long as you fly at things with your shield on and don't fly perfectly straight to and from AA or big gun positions without your shield on. If you fly high enough the AA if it does hit you will cause you to drop slightly but easily recoverable.

[spoodie]

Also with the titans aim for the legs, they are so big it is easy in the helihoverplanes and you knock about 2/3 health from them with a good pass where you get every missile away.

Titans with legs, that would be a sight.

I assume you mean the mechs and this is very useful to know, is it the same for non-air attacks as well? Seems obvious when you think about it but didn't occur to me.

[Fear]

Titans with legs, that would be a sight.

I assume you mean the mechs and this is very useful to know, is it the same for non-air attacks as well? Seems obvious when you think about it but didn't occur to me.

*cough*walkers*cough*


Yes same for any munition, aim for the legs. I assume you know that tanks and apcs you shoot the wheels or the rear for more damage - and with planes you shoot the engine or the tail (tho not sure with BF2142 as not tested the plane damage)

[Dog Pants]

Not true, you can get tremendous speed in the helihoverplanes, and now I've gotten used to it I can kill something nearly on every pass and the AA is completely useless*.

Okay, but I've not seen pilots raping the battlefield like they do in BEEF. Maybe they just haven't had the time to get their whore wings yet. I tried flying a few times today and it's not as hard as BEEF, and the vehicles don't seem bad at all, although I haven't tried the hovertanks yet. After about 4 or 5 hours play I've progressed 4 ranks and had enough unlocks to get the AA rockets for the engineer and the first unlock for assault.

[Sandwich]

ive also not seen any helicopter whores. I have tried using one myself and it seems quite hard to get a good shot and i end up dead in a few minutes.

The TV missiles are harder to use than Beef, although i suppose it depends on your position.

As for AA, i can take out most helicopters within a few minutes.