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Roman Totale wrote:Generally speaking I do think that depression is probably over diagnosed. Everybody gets a bit down, but some people take the piss by claiming it's a medical thing.

Unless you've had depression proper, or known someone with it, you cannot comprehend the vast difference between 'feeling a bit down' and depression (alas the term itself is also over used).

When it hit this time I couldn't sleep, couldn't eat, would spend hours sat on my bed looking at the floor or wall, no enjoyment from reading, gaming or tv, constant bleak and dark thoughts, and an all pervading sense of futility. Really, it isn't something that you can just snap out of.

So I understand that people have a certain view of depression - it is certainly one of the most over used words by moping teenagers to describe the sulk they're in, but if someone genuinely has it it is fucking horrible. Pete isn't a stroppy teenager or an attention seeker, so I've no doubt what he's going through is atrocious. General rule of thumb is that if someone goes on about being depressed all the time, they haven't got it - I refer to a comment I made previously about these nauseating people who talk about it all the time like it's their fucking hobby or something.

Hope everything gets better, Pete - if you need owt, give us a shout.
:above: All of that.

Also, they're not depressed if they've got the power to put clothes/makeup on and go to town to feel depressed, they're just miserable cunts.

Actual depression is horrible (I've been there a few times, as have close friends) It's not something I'd wish on anyone.
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I've just checked the rules and such with the mrs, and it basically goes like this:

You can sign yourself off work for up to 7 days for an illness. If you genuinely have any illness that requires more time off work, get a letter from the doctor to say so *at that time*. Although you can get kinda post-dated ones, they are harder to get (the doc would be well within their rights to refuse it. How do they know you are not having them on?) and don't have as much weight to them with some employers even if you can get one.

If you get one at the time, the employer *has* to accept that. If you kept getting sick notes for stuff, they might have the "this job might not be for you" speech, but they have to *try* to accommodate you.

If your employer is giving you shit with this kind of thing, you want to check out the DWP websitefor help.
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My employers were bloody awesome - didn't go down as sick or anything. For all intents and porpoises I was still in work.
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Roman Totale wrote:Generally speaking I do think that depression is probably over diagnosed. Everybody gets a bit down, but some people take the piss by claiming it's a medical thing.
:above: I think that's accurate. It'd like so many illnesses these days, even something like flu is now proclaimed by anyone with a sniffle.

I've never been depressed, certainly not clinically depressed as has been described here. I am aware of one family member that was, and know how bad it was for that person and their close family.


Although, having read this, one thing is grating at me...

Why are the three* people who have stated they suffer from clinical depression drinking any alcohol at all? Or indeed doing any illegal drugs? Is that not like someone that has just survived lung cancer smoking, or someone with liver sclerosis drinking?

Aside from alcohol actually being a toxic substance that fucks with your mental state... It is also a chemical depressant, and further more it enhances any already-present depressive symptoms.

If I employed you, I'd be happy to give you all the time I could to get through it. If I found out you were taking alcohol/drugs making your condition worse, I'd give you the absolute minimum I could, and be looking at ways to get rid of you. Surely that is fair?

*Sorry RT if you aren't a drinker, I just assume you are being a 5punker! :-p
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I wish I had employers like that.

spoodie - I figured you weren't having a go, my post is a bit rude in regard to yours and for that I apologise.
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Fear wrote:Although, having read this, one thing is grating at me...

Why are the three* people who have stated they suffer from clinical depression drinking any alcohol at all? Or indeed doing any illegal drugs? Is that not like someone that has just survived lung cancer smoking, or someone with liver sclerosis drinking?

Aside from alcohol actually being a toxic substance that fucks with your mental state... It is also a chemical depressant, and further more it enhances any already-present depressive symptoms.
From my point of view on this (and that of close friends) why let something that realistically generally doesn't affect you that badly a lot of time rule what you do with your life?

IME prolonged bouts of drunkness don't cause me to get into a properly depressed state. But, if I am depressed, I generally don't drink, mainly because I'm too busy going wrong to care enough to drink.

Also, from the point of view of someone broken in various ways, I really, really, really dislike people who get into their problems (as Roman said above)

I've known people who let depression and stuff utterly rule their lives, even when they're well and relatively healthy, all that seems to do is skip the good times, the going out and having fun. Now, I don't know about you, but that would make me feel like shit.
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Fear wrote:Why are the three* people who have stated they suffer from clinical depression drinking any alcohol at all? Or indeed doing any illegal drugs? Is that not like someone that has just survived lung cancer smoking, or someone with liver sclerosis drinking?
Far from it, alcohol depresses the nervous system not mood. Personally I didn't drink at all during the really bad bits (and I did try, sat down one day with the intention of drinking whiskey until I passed out, had a few sips and decided I couldn't be arsed so drank herbal tea instead). Different strokes for different folks really. I myself am I very happy drunk, as people who know me would testify. I don't think one particular thing or another can be said to be responsible for it (though I've no doubt drugs would aggravate the problem, but I don't know), so it's not as easily comparable as alcohol and sclerosis of the liver.
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Apart from new years eve when I decided I'd drink myself silly for the old times sake of it I've cut back a lot too. I passed on my teams night out and paid for by work pub lunch too (although that was mainly the shit looking food).

I drink a lot when I feel a bit down, but I tend to stop eating or drinking much except sugary snacks and water when I'm actually depressed. I even stop smoking or have maybe two/three a day.

I am aware that drugs and alcohol help me reinforce my bad mood when I drink alone, mainly through me over thinking about things as opposed to a direct physiological effect. On the very odd occasion that I can face going out with my mates I'll have a few and feel better for the whole experience, even if those feelings are generally short lived.
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Post by Fear »

Ah ok fair enough, my apologies, it just read like you all just got pissed :P
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Fear wrote:Ah ok fair enough, my apologies, it just read like you all just got pissed :P
I did, Like I do every night.
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Fear wrote:Ah ok fair enough, my apologies, it just read like you all just got pissed :P
Until recently when it was nothing more than a bad mood, I did get pissed a lot, pretty much every night. So I can see why you would assume that. :lol:
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I don't usually partake in discussions, because I'm really really crap at them and it makes me look even more stupid, but on the point of depressions I'd like to say something.
Apologies in advance for length and emo-ness.

I too, don't really understand depressions, but like all the others that's simply because I've never had it/don't know anyone that has it. I do know however, what it's like to feel really fucking worthless, because (and I am not exaggerating, this is the full and honest truth) ever since my 1st year in what I believe to be the Belgian equivalent of English middle school (it starts when you're about 8 ) I have always been last in my class, in pretty much everything apart from the arty classes and language related things, i was last in gym, maths, biology, and everything else they try to teach you at middle school. Nowadays children that are last in something are immediately diagnosed with every learning disability known to man and stuffed full of drugs, but in my small country school the diagnosis was simple: i was stupid. The worst was that the abuse didn't come from the students (i was slightly bullied for a while because i had long hair and looked like a girl, by both the students and the teachers, but i didn't mind that), but from the teachers. Most of them were unhappily married women without children in their 40's* (as is common with middle schools in the mid-90's, or so it seems) and they've long since stopped caring about teaching children, but instead started focusing on early retirement. They all let me pass no matter how bad my grades where, and thus nobody noticed anything. Not even me, i was just glad when my schoolday ended.
By the time i was in my 5th year, it became apparent that it wasn't just starter problems, but that there was something else wrong (it was around this time i think that some doctors started mass-publishing things about ADHD and the like, alerting mothers worldwide) so they send me to a Steiner school (apparently called Waldorf school in English :lol: ) which was supposed to have a slower-paced and more individual way of teaching. I suppose this is technically true, if you've been in said school since age 6, and if your teacher actually followed the set guidelines. (in Steiner schools teachers move along with a class, as opposed to a regular school where you get a new teacher each year) We happened to have a feminist bitch that liked to fail all the boys because they made dirty jokes or coloured their hair (i did neither of these things but got a bollocking all the same) and praised the girls in the heavens giving them a smug sense of superiority over us. Despite the fact that i was probably the only kid in class that pretty much followed all these rules (but still got poor, poor results) i was send a year back, to the 5th again (i never finished my 6th year, and i'm still not sure how i got into high school) but even there i failed (despite having seen everything already) And that's where the really bad part began.
I got dragged from one psychologist (or psychiatrist, i forget) to another, and none of them managed to find stuff that's wrong (mainly because they were all fuckwits that assumed it had something to do with my brother's death and often they asked me if i was being abused by members of my family, the usual bullshit) the highlight of this period was when they put me in a psychiatric wing of a hospital for observation, but because they only had one wing for minors, i was put alongside drug addicts and people that attacked their parents with pencils and stuff. nice. Anyway, after a week or two they made the diagnosis: asperger's syndrome. (a year or two ago i found papers from said hospital stating i possibly has asperger's.)
Now i finally had a name for my stupidity and everybody thought i was rain man, despite the fact that I couldn't do math.
Following that, i was send to a special school, the only one of two schools in Belgium at that time (we had about 60 or so students when i arrived, now they have to reject people because all the classes are full, shows how lazy doctors are)
When i look back though, this was maybe the best school i've been to yet, since they actually seemed to care about their students and did help me come to terms with who i was.
Then i blundered my way through two more schools, never reaching the 5th year and finally dropping out at age 18 (legal age to leave school here), thinking i would get an easy job somewhere, making minimum wage, and renting a flat somewhere or something. That plan failed when it became apparent that despite my many schools i had learned absolutely nothing, and to this day is still haven't found anything that i'm really good at or like enough to do. This was mainly due to the fact that I literally lose attention after a minute or so, this is not uncommon but it's become so bad that I have it with things that I'm interested in, like films, books, articles, etc. Due to this, everything becomes a chore, and as a I can't keep my attention to anything, most people still classify me as lazy or unwilling to work, and i can't blame them for that. Because of this i have had unexplained fits of rage and became intolerant of many trivial things (i suppose some of you have had similar problems, so apparently it's not uncommon) which finally lead to a miniature breakdown last Tuesday, after failing a practice(!) theoretic driving test. This story probably sounds familiar to you, as it sounds like one of those crappy films for housewives they show at 2 pm in the afternoon on a weekday. I'm still trying to be hopeful about most things, and i still see the good side of things, but over the past few years i have had increasing periods of emo-days, and i don't feel like doing anything anymore, even gaming. (again, similar to some of you) So i've finally started to look for something i've been against doing all my life: taking medication. i'm starting with the classic ritalin, since it's supposed to help with the concentration thing, and also remembering things, since i've been forgetting more and more lately, like the names of my neighbours or the age of my own siblings. But like Dog Pants, i'll eventually get through this, and stop posting long emo-posts. :P

Apologies for length, off-topicness and bad english, but after typing all this (for over an hour, crikey) i feel better somehow.


*There were some teachers that treated me just like any other students, and i thank them for that.
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Mr. Johnson wrote:everybody thought i was rain man
Right, pool your money together guys - we're off to Las Vegas with Johnson!
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Post by Fear »

I know this is the internets, not RL, but I've never even thought you were "stupid". You actually come across as a polite intelligent guy that can speak/type fluently in foreign.
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Mr. Johnson wrote:But like Dog Pants, i'll eventually get through this
Wuh? Have you been speaking to my doctor?

Let it all out man, feel the love. You always seem like a regular 5punker to me. Rational, amusing, sense of humour, good tase in hats. Maybe some of it's a perspective thing, because I was quite surprised to read what you wrote.
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Mr. Johnson wrote:I don't usually partake in discussions, because I'm really really crap at them and it makes me look even more stupid
For a start, you shouldn't worry about that, I've never seen a hint of stupid from you, and your English is as good as anyone here really.


Oh, and ADD/ADHD isn't really a learning problem it's a fucking teaching problem, I had a lot of trouble through various schools because of my brain being crap at some stuff, and occasionally trying to kill teachers out of sheer frustration at their stupidity.

I even once got put in a remedial English class because my handwriting is utterly shit, and I can't write stories. I spent a year with a piece of plastic writing upper case G's, that really helped my education :roll:
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Dr. kitteny berk wrote:I spent a year with a piece of plastic writing upper case G's, that really helped my education :roll:
To be fair you do live in Leicester - they probably thought it would be essential that you were able to write "Word up, G", and correctly spell the word "Gangsta".
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But your Gs are kickass.
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Dog Pants wrote:But your Gs are kickass.
:lol: that's the best thing, they're still shit because it's something I just can't do due to whatever the fuck is borked in me. :)
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Dog Pants wrote:Wuh? Have you been speaking to my doctor?
i was referring to this;
Dog Pants wrote:No matter how shit I feel I can always drag my sorry arse wherever it needs to be, and that's been some pretty shite places.


Also, when i started typing i felt really, really bad, but typing all of the above sorta worked kinda therapeutic, and i feel good now, i think because i've never told anyone this, never really felt the need to do so, but somehow i thought 5punkers wouldn't mind, as you've all proven to be some of the best and most trustworthy friends i've ever had.
Oh, and i'm not too afraid to make bad English werdz, but i like my grammar to be good, since this is the internet and poor language skills can give a pretty poor image of a person (but since most of you have seen me in real life that doesn't really matter anymore) i'm simply cautious because grammar is one of the few things i take pride in, and i don't want to falter too much. And i'm always looking to improve it.
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