OMG WTF RULES?

[Grimmie]

I actually agree with Belmy.

I'm in the 'If the game lets you do it, you should be allowed to do it' camp.

Yeah, I get pissed off about it too, but if you start getting angry, leave the game and go and sit in a quiet corner for a while, it's just a fucking game. I get the rage all the time, most of you have heard my rage over teamspeak. I leave and play something else, having enjoyed my time on CoD.

Plug had the right idea at Brum Bash, he said that he doesn't get angry, he just gets back up after being killed and carries on, because it's fun, and it's a fucking, shitting game goddamnit. It has a jump button. It has a shoot faggot grenade button. Embrace these tools.

Obviously other people disagree, and that's fine.
But I'll definitely be playing less, now that we're going to have someone pipe up whenever anyone uses the grenade launcher.

[spoodie]

There's just a level that a population of a game players reaches that leaves the small "l337" guys there on top and leaves anyone who just wants to go out there and have fun frustrated and leaving the game.

This is one of the reasons it's nice to play some Halo, as it's such a popular title, for all kinds of players. Sometimes you get the l33t players, sometime casual noobs. I put myself somewhere in between, so I can sometimes get lots of kills and sometimes not.

[Dog Pants]

Yeah, I get pissed off about it too, but if you start getting angry, leave the game and go and sit in a quiet corner for a while, it's just a fucking game. I get the rage all the time, most of you have heard my rage over teamspeak. I leave and play something else, having enjoyed my time on CoD.

This is the point though. People are getting pissed off and leaving, and nobody's playing COD any more.

It has a jump button. It has a shoot faggot grenade button. Embrace these tools.

I understand this point of view. It's not necessarily an unfair advantage because everybody could do the same and choose not to. If everybody did do it though I would have avoided COD like I avoid CSS, and I'm glad I didn't because I enjoy COD.

But I'll definitely be playing less, now that we're going to have someone pipe up whenever anyone uses the grenade launcher

Unfortunately, this. Not really in game, but the amount of friction that's being caused by disagreements about the game spilling over onto the boards is tiring me of the whole thing faster than the subject does. Having said that, the last few games I've played have lasted less than an hour anyway.

[Dr. kitteny berk]

I'm in the 'If the game lets you do it, you should be allowed to do it' camp.

I disagree, entirely. Games are often made with little trade-offs to make them more playable for everyone.

The great thing about 5punk is that generally in the past, we've been able to uphold certain standards that 5punkers feel are important - no faggy bunnyhopping in cod, no autosnipers/awps in CS:S, no exploity nastiness in TEEF, no bunnyhopping/dolphin diving in BEEF. All of those things are in their respective games, but we've never had any complaints for restricting them.

The only thing that has changed here is that the usual manner of doing things hasn't worked, and between that, and the arguments about it, it's killing cod.

So, now we have some incredibly loose guidelines for cod, much lower standards than "Don't be a cupcake" and I really, really hope people will follow them as much as they can.

I'm getting bored of the arguments about it too, but it fucks me off royally seeing the core cod playing 5punkers (Y'know, the ones who've been playing cod on 5punk since 2004.) leave after 20 minutes (if they even bother playing) because of all the bunnyhoppingnoobtubery. So I shout about it.

If you don't like the few rules I impose to make gaming on 5punk better for everyone, play something different, I'm not arguing about this, I've made my point. The rules are there to be followed, no arguments.

[Baliame]

Alright, I don't mean to start a fight about this. Rules are there, I don't like them, I just won't play for everyone's convenience (everyone's as in I'd generate enormous amounts of rage, like the ones warriors could use to execute for over nine thousand million)

But I'll definitely be playing less, now that we're going to have someone pipe up whenever anyone uses the grenade launcher.

Very much that. People can whine and now that we have the rules, people WILL whine everytime someone does it.

Only the scout bunnyhops in TEEF, maybe a few of the other classes a bit but it's not as effective.

60 hours of Soldier, the number of jumps I did wouldn't quite fit in one of those big int64 thingies.

As for justifying using it to make up for a lack of skill without the technique, "everyone sucked at first, you just quit it too early".

Goddamn owned Although CoD's all about lightning reflexes, without weapon attachments I could just call it a CS clone.

[Gunslinger42]

I still don't see why people get all baaaaaw over the grenade launcher. Bunnyhopping is annoying (and even with shada playing I don't notice much of it on our server - join a random one and everyone jumps everywhere, every corner they jump around, they never just run into a fight they have to jump) and it does give me the rage. Usually on random servers I select one of my FAGORT classes and either spam frag grenades (yay 3x frag, or more recently 3x stun since its even better) or use the grenade launcher exclusively. That leads back to my first point though, I don't understand why people get annoyed at the grenade launcher any more than they do any other weapon, in fact the other weapons are worse as far as I'm concerned. The grenade launcher has two rounds and unless you sacrifice a perk it takes forever to reload, a skilled player with an M16 will kill me more than a "skilled" noobtuber.

[Dr. kitteny berk]

I don't think it's so much the noob tubing that's the problem.

the nube tubing with the leapy faggotry is the big problem, as far as I can tell.

[deject]

I'm getting bored of the arguments about it too, but it fucks me off royally seeing the core cod playing 5punkers (Y'know, the ones who've been playing cod on 5punk since 2004.) leave after 20 minutes (if they even bother playing) because of all the bunnyhoppingnoobtubery. So I shout about it.

This. 5punk is a place where we can all come together and play games for fun. If you're doing shit that puts some of us off, stopping is only the 5punky thing to do. If you're one of those people who enjoys being a dick, then do it to losers on public servers and not using the 5punk name*. We try not to put limits on what people can do, because it's unfair in many cases, but even the people who are saying that it should stay really hate the bunny-hopping n00b tube faggotry. In fact, the only people who don't hate it are the 2 or 3 who do it. The rest of us do not like it. In every other game I've played on 5punk, that's been enough of a consensus to ban said faggotry. I think it should apply here as well.



*unless they're cunts who deserve it, in which case get some backup.

[Nickface]

*gets a guitar and sings a song about togetherness by the campfire*

[Grimmie]

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[Fear]

we've never had any complaints for restricting them.

Just to wade in here, it used to piss me off royally when I couldn't use a sniper on CSS. It properly fucked up the gameplay of many maps. The way to counter snipers is to use smoke and flashes, or to flank them, not just ban it because you don't like it.

And the little bit I played COD, I used to get more raged with feeling like certain people were using aimbot with bullets than a n00b tube. At least I felt that the n00b tube was a legitimate kill. And the fucking helicopters and shit like that. That's unbalancing/fun-killing, not the n00b tube.

But then I don't play COD anymore, so you can happily disregard my views.

[Roman Totale]

5punk is a place where we can all come together and play games for fun. If you're doing shit that puts some of us off, stopping is only the 5punky thing to do. If you're one of those people who enjoys being a dick, then do it to losers on public servers and not using the 5punk name*. We try not to put limits on what people can do, because it's unfair in many cases, but even the people who are saying that it should stay really hate the bunny-hopping n00b tube faggotry. In fact, the only people who don't hate it are the 2 or 3 who do it. The rest of us do not like it. In every other game I've played on 5punk, that's been enough of a consensus to ban said faggotry. I think it should apply here as well.

Well said sir, I think you sum up exactly how I feel about the whole sordid affair.

[deject]

Just to wade in here, it used to piss me off royally when I couldn't use a sniper on CSS. It properly fucked up the gameplay of many maps. The way to counter snipers is to use smoke and flashes, or to flank them, not just ban it because you don't like it.

And the little bit I played COD, I used to get more raged with feeling like certain people were using aimbot with bullets than a n00b tube. At least I felt that the n00b tube was a legitimate kill. And the fucking helicopters and shit like that. That's unbalancing/fun-killing, not the n00b tube.

But then I don't play COD anymore, so you can happily disregard my views.

We never banned sniper rifles from CS:S, we banned the bullshit that is AWPs and autosnipers. The scout is still an excellent gun and definitely rewards skill as opposed to the AWP which will instakill on any hit except for a toe-shot. Or auto-snipers which are generally crap but are insane in skilled hands and can net someone with no skill at all several bullshit kills. Many times I was swore at (by 5punkers and in general) because of the the Scout, and it's possible to dominate with one. It just takes more skill than an AWP or auto-sniper. Never mind that in most cases the AK is just a better idea in most situations.

[Fear]

Meh, cba to argue my point.

[Dr. kitteny berk]

We never banned sniper rifles from CS:S, we banned the bullshit that is AWPs and autosnipers. The scout is still an excellent gun and definitely rewards skill as opposed to the AWP which will instakill on any hit except for a toe-shot. Or auto-snipers which are generally crap but are insane in skilled hands and can net someone with no skill at all several bullshit kills. Many times I was swore at (by 5punkers and in general) because of the the Scout, and it's possible to dominate with one. It just takes more skill than an AWP or auto-sniper. Never mind that in most cases the AK is just a better idea in most situations.

Exactly.

It's also worth noting that (especially in the case of the auto sniper) I was often the one using it to decimate whole teams, which was making it shitty for other people, so I banned the autosniper and the awp.

It's also worth remembering that (in CS:S at least) the main reason for people using the AWP/autosniper was because someone else was using the AWP/autosniper. The scout is a decent balanced weapon which doesn't massively outclass all the other guns in the game.


It seems to me that people so far have come up with two really poor options to ignore the cod situation, Either:

Let everyone do what they want, and drive a lot of the core 5punkers away.

Or

Use the same shitty behaviour as the people who annoy you are, and drive a lot of the core 5punkers away because we don't like playing like that.


Neither of which really appeal to me.

[Gunslinger42]

CoD4 needs an admin button that drops a piano or cow on a specified player

[MrGreen]

CoD4 needs an admin button that drops a piano or cow on a specified player

We also need 'slap' like the CS:S: Wait for when jumpycunt is going to do his dance, then slap. Huzzah!

[deject]

slapping someone silly was great fun in CS:S

[spoodie]

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[Joose]

My 2 cents, as someone who doesnt play CoD anymore (I dont like it because im really not very good at it, and cant seem to improve. Nothing to do with noobtubes or jumping):

I see a couple of people who want to jump and noob tube.
A couple of people who dont seem to have views specifically on the activities, but dont like the idea of rules.
About double that number of people who either dont play, play less, or dont like playing, because of the noobtube/jumping.

Lets say no rules are put in place. The people who dont play will continue to not play. The people who play less will play less, till they also stop playing. The people who dont like playing will, eventually, stop playing. The significantly decreased numbers will mean the people who don't give a shit either way stop playing. Eventually, you are left with two people bouncing around and noobtubing each other, by themselves. I cant see this being a good thing in anyones eyes.

As for the "its in the game, therefore it should be allowed": That ideal only works if you have infallible game designers. We all know that game designers make mistakes. Therefore, sometimes, you may have to alter the way games are played so that the majority of people playing actually like the experience.

Yes, its only a game. But games are supposed to be fun. If its annoying you, its not fun. Surely making it less annoying is a better solution than mass exodus?