Results of sundays mining op

Hehulk · Post by **Hehulk** » March 12th, 2007, 14:56

What jack said

When we start needing mid ends like nocxium and isogen, we just send out a load of scouts with multispec probes to find us a gravametric site in high sec. Corp then moves in en-mass to probe it down and we get to work. Ak will atest to how valuable those sites are, but I doubt we'll find them in big hubs.

Post by **fabyak** » March 12th, 2007, 15:01

superb idea! I had totally forgotten about them

Dolly Parton · Post by **Dolly Parton** » March 12th, 2007, 15:28

not trying to be greedy just efficient. also not all 0.4 systems are the same and yes low security mining is different than 0.0. i can see how we would lose some guys and i am not sying we do this all next op but i would like after lets say 5 more ops to move out when we want. all our stuff is in that system and i see no reason to move it anytime soon (not this month at least). remember we are trying to teach these guys how to survive and one day become 5punkers like us. eve is moving in a direction of more pvp every patch and by us not teaching them we are doing an injustice to them and us. we have issues with 5punkers not going to a 0.4 system to mine than we are in nig trouble. as a corp we have the resource to have frigs, cruiser and such to roam around for defense nd ratting while miners are mining. hulks can tank so no need for tanker there. since hulks are tanking haulers can haul in peace. only drones that would be used are combat drones. honestly 0.4 is tottally doable and i wouldn't mine 0.1-0.3 more pirates there than 0.4. leave a single commandship/tier 2 BC in system to give bonuses.

once again this is food for thought and something they won't take place for the next couple of ops. we don't go back to 0.0 right away then we should look into it.

Hehulk · Post by **Hehulk** » March 12th, 2007, 15:41

Several issues with what you just said. First off

Dolly Parton wrote:we are trying to teach these guys how to survive and one day become 5punkers like us.

They (I assme you mean Fw4ppers) are 5punkers. The only dividing line is we don't let them into 5punkorp for their own safety against war targets (Ask Pnut how much he enjoyed starting eve again and not being able to do jack shit safely).

Dolly Parton wrote:we have issues with 5punkers not going to a 0.4 system to mine than we are in big trouble.

I don't follow you there. most of 5punk just finished up fighting in a major war, and they want some R&R from anything even remotly looking like combat. Low sec is combat. That's part of it's purpose.

Dolly Parton wrote:as a corp we have the resource to have frigs, cruiser and such to roam around for defense and ratting while miners are mining. hulks can tank so no need for tanker there. since hulks are tanking haulers can haul in peace.

Quite right about the tanking part, but if we did take a load of hulks and covetors into low sec I can't say I'm eager to have those capable of jamming, dampening and nosing the living buggers out of anyone trying to kill my 1.1 bil investment elsewhere. Hulks are hard. but they've got weak buffers.

We're in high sec for a reason. If we'd wanted to try and do mining with combat cover and possible regular hostile incursions we'd have stayed with ISS.

My Personal Opinion

Wiggy · Post by **Wiggy** » March 12th, 2007, 15:52

Hehe, yesterday was fun.... but I vote Osvest for the next op

eRabbit · Post by **eRabbit** » March 12th, 2007, 17:19

I agree totally with hulky, which is odd and somewhat disturbing.

Akiakaiu · Post by **Akiakaiu** » March 12th, 2007, 17:31

Hehulk wrote: Ak will atest to how valuable those sites are, but I doubt we'll find them in big hubs.

I now have more mid-ends (is there such a thing) then yoiu could shake a stick at. Will sell below market value to 5punk if we need some. Last belt gave me 1500 Zyd also. I haven't looked around any big hubs yet, but the backwater systems I've been chilling in are giving good results.

Miro Mishu · Post by **Miro Mishu** » March 12th, 2007, 17:34

Aki since we are all empire-bound atm and you and I play late US, we should hook up for mining/exploration. The two of us with 2 accts each could do some damage. Dolly, you should get in on this too if Aki wants to share :p ..because 6accts can wreck a belt and help find new ones quicker!

Akiakaiu · Post by **Akiakaiu** » March 12th, 2007, 17:42

Sounds like a plan Miro, I've no problem with that. I R not gr33dy. That lst belt took me 6-7 hours to mine out with only Aki and her Coverter. The help would be greatly appreciated. Now if I could find something that is not a belt.

Dolly Parton · Post by **Dolly Parton** » March 12th, 2007, 17:52

oh how i ♥ u hulk

to your first point - did i say move to low security - NO - i said lets not shelter these guys and never show them the darker side of eve (phrased differently) - also i said 5punk would lead defense in that category, if Fw4ppers was to help in defense i would like them in cheap tacklers and such - those losses are acceptable and good learning experience

not looking for combat, but what is so wrong to take a few hours not every week but every couple of weeks and do some mining in low security - 0.4 is not the pirate haven everyone thinks low security is - go fly around you'll see what i mean - i am also not saying we go to an egghelende (0.3 i do believe) or a vecamia (0.4 connecting Gallente/Amarr space) which are both hostile, i am saying if we find a quiet place that we can have a day at once in a while we should take advantage of it - now if we get some of our exploration people and they find us good ores in high security i am all for a little afk mining while running mission

your last point i agree, and by incorporating some simple 0.0 strategy we still face risk but its at a minimum. stay lined up, limiting the barges to 2/3 to can reduces chances of bumping, hauling should make every attempt to not bump them (honestly its not that hard), all barge/haulers have an ecm module on (last resort in case someone is afk - which should all ready be understood as a no no, you go afk you dock) - i have/had the same feelings about my hulk

Hehulk wrote:We're in high sec for a reason. If we'd wanted to try and do mining with combat cover and possible regular hostile incursions we'd have stayed with ISS.

yeah right if thats the way you see us and ISS at the time we left. privateers were supplying a lot of heat, we were taking losses, 8MG - was could we say overcrowded and getting worse, and we had WT out the ass with little to no help from the rest of alliance.

i bought my hulk to mine the shit out of things. we did that but if i sit here for next few months mining veldspar when my skills are set up to molest everything i'll go nutz.

once again i am not saying we do this even in the month of march but come april i am gonna bring this topic back up. we'll look at what we've done in mining in high, we'll look at what we've done in exploration and we'll check the local climate on things. who knows we could be back in 0.0 then or we might not. all i know is changing things up is good and having your heart pump a little harder while playing is a good thing too. i could go on but my food is getting cold

dp

Dolly Parton · Post by **Dolly Parton** » March 12th, 2007, 17:54

Miro Mishu wrote:Aki since we are all empire-bound atm and you and I play late US, we should hook up for mining/exploration. The two of us with 2 accts each could do some damage. Dolly, you should get in on this too if Aki wants to share :p ..because 6accts can wreck a belt and help find new ones quicker!

i got no probs with this, just let me know the area you exploring so i can have a barge and hauler there. (i am still going to do my missions though, i am so close damn it i can't stop now) probably be red and kenny in attendance