So, given I've decided that the iphone still looks like a smug twats favourite toy I've been looking at the htc series, the touch diamond 2 and the touch pro 2.
I've been looking around http://www.gsmarena.com but it's just filled with people banging on about cracking phones to get java working properly etc etc.
Anyone driven one of these htc's around their face?
As per usual o2 appear to offer fuck all online so I'm looking at third party sellers, anyone know of somewhere where they explain how to gets you some unlimited data shiz instead of a free extra shiny toy?
Spoodie! You work for o2! Is there an unlimited data/wi-fi bolt on other than the iphone one? I want my oversized pda humming to the sound of messenger and faecesbook and dirty porno at work!
Dear bitches, lets talk mobile phones!
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Re: Dear bitches, lets talk mobile phones!
I don't work in sales but I found this - http://www.o2.co.uk/explore/tariffs/bol ... hlyboltonsHereComesPete wrote:Spoodie! You work for o2! Is there an unlimited data/wi-fi bolt on other than the iphone one? I want my oversized pda humming to the sound of messenger and faecesbook and dirty porno at work!
It says unlimited web so it's not really data and I've no idea if that includes other services. But these days all the kids know that web and Internet are the same thing, not one service that runs on top of another.
I'd assume it's only http(s) unless you confirm otherwise.
Get an iPhone, the annoyingly short battery life gives you hours of fun when you forget to fully charge it before leaving the house.
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Prof's blackberry looked pretty cool, and it has buttons rather than an annoying touch screen.
You'll still look smug though, but business man smug!
Also Mrs. Johnson's brother has a nokia smartphone type of thing, but I can't say if it's good or not, he just buys the shiniest most expensive thing in the store anyway. (he lost his iphone at a festival, probably got nicked, he had it for 4 months
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You'll still look smug though, but business man smug!
Also Mrs. Johnson's brother has a nokia smartphone type of thing, but I can't say if it's good or not, he just buys the shiniest most expensive thing in the store anyway. (he lost his iphone at a festival, probably got nicked, he had it for 4 months
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I have an HTC touch pro, which I've moaned about before. It's horribly slow and because it's Windows Mobile runs out of memory because the apps don't close when you press the X, you have to press the top-right symbol on the main screen and then press the X's that appear there:
With wireless on it tries to connect to everyone's wireless on the way in to work, so you'll need to charge it basically all the time. With it off it should last a day.
On the plus side, it's handy for bog surfing, RSS feeds (like fail blog and lolcats), MSN-ing and automatic wireless ActiveSync (with an Exchange email account) or regular POP/IMAP email all right out of the box plus boring work stuff like Word and Powerpoint, with Twitter, Skype, games and other crap easily added for free because it's Windows-based. A decent-capacity mini-SD card is a useful addition, as is a charging cradle - but don't use the data cable if you use wireless ActiveSync.
The slidey keyboard version is chunkier, but the keyboard is surprisingly usable - even with my chubby thumbs. It does a bit of predictive cleverness to work out which of the four buttons you pressed you actually meant. The onscreen keyboard/script/handwriting options are okay too though if you want a slimmer model. It has a stylus held in magnetically and wakes up when you take it out which is nice, it's tricky to operate with a finger. The TouchFlo3D interface is just a very thin skin for Windows Mobile which tries to add a bit of iPhone-like finger navigation, I find it more frustrating than useful. Scrolling through a long contact list without dialling numbers on the way is a particular chore.
As a phone it's a bit annoying as the keypad is onscreen - easy to mis-type numbers with its slow response. When you put it to your ear the accelerometer turns the screen off (so you don't dial with your cheek) but it doesn't come back on again (for typing security codes, or ending the call) when you put it back down - you have to lightly press the on/off button to reactivate the screen.
It comes with a protective case, but not only does it cover the speaker so well you can barely hear it, but the volume controls on the side still function when it's locked, so it often mutes itself in your pocket. It has cameras front and back, for video-phoning and taking snaps to add to contacts - they're about the quality you'd expect from a phone.
It will use wi-fi where it can, but switch to 3G or worse if it can't - if you're paying the data bill you need to reconfigure that, and make sure it doesn't check for email too often.
I got it from work, for the ActiveSync mainly - which it does well, plus it's handy to be able to surf whenever, being Windows I can even use remote desktop on it. Most other people at work have switched to the Nokia E71, and I wouldn't buy another HTC when in December I have to give it back and buy my own phone.
iPhones are expensive, o2-locked and can only use their apps, although there are loads of apps and it's the fastest touch-screen device (not lightning quick though). Blackberries are the cheapest devices, but require a BES subscription to do email properly and have a more limited selection of apps. The HTC costs in-between, has an almost infinite selection of apps (windows mobile), but is slow and clumsy.
The other option is a cheap (bluetooth) phone for calls and an iPAQ PDA for web/email/windows stuff. They're the cheapest, but are limited to wi-fi/bluetooth - but that may be a boon if you're worried about data traffic costs. They can also be easily converted to a proper SatNav*, connect to other PC peripherals and have a big screen.
HP do 3G iPAQ smartphones, but I don't know much about them, might be worth a look if you must have everything in the one device. They seem to combine the plusses of Windows Mobile, with the same size and keypad as an E71/Blackberry, but aren't cheap.
* not the very approximate aerial signal strength triangulation phones do and call SatNav
With wireless on it tries to connect to everyone's wireless on the way in to work, so you'll need to charge it basically all the time. With it off it should last a day.
On the plus side, it's handy for bog surfing, RSS feeds (like fail blog and lolcats), MSN-ing and automatic wireless ActiveSync (with an Exchange email account) or regular POP/IMAP email all right out of the box plus boring work stuff like Word and Powerpoint, with Twitter, Skype, games and other crap easily added for free because it's Windows-based. A decent-capacity mini-SD card is a useful addition, as is a charging cradle - but don't use the data cable if you use wireless ActiveSync.
The slidey keyboard version is chunkier, but the keyboard is surprisingly usable - even with my chubby thumbs. It does a bit of predictive cleverness to work out which of the four buttons you pressed you actually meant. The onscreen keyboard/script/handwriting options are okay too though if you want a slimmer model. It has a stylus held in magnetically and wakes up when you take it out which is nice, it's tricky to operate with a finger. The TouchFlo3D interface is just a very thin skin for Windows Mobile which tries to add a bit of iPhone-like finger navigation, I find it more frustrating than useful. Scrolling through a long contact list without dialling numbers on the way is a particular chore.
As a phone it's a bit annoying as the keypad is onscreen - easy to mis-type numbers with its slow response. When you put it to your ear the accelerometer turns the screen off (so you don't dial with your cheek) but it doesn't come back on again (for typing security codes, or ending the call) when you put it back down - you have to lightly press the on/off button to reactivate the screen.
It comes with a protective case, but not only does it cover the speaker so well you can barely hear it, but the volume controls on the side still function when it's locked, so it often mutes itself in your pocket. It has cameras front and back, for video-phoning and taking snaps to add to contacts - they're about the quality you'd expect from a phone.
It will use wi-fi where it can, but switch to 3G or worse if it can't - if you're paying the data bill you need to reconfigure that, and make sure it doesn't check for email too often.
I got it from work, for the ActiveSync mainly - which it does well, plus it's handy to be able to surf whenever, being Windows I can even use remote desktop on it. Most other people at work have switched to the Nokia E71, and I wouldn't buy another HTC when in December I have to give it back and buy my own phone.
iPhones are expensive, o2-locked and can only use their apps, although there are loads of apps and it's the fastest touch-screen device (not lightning quick though). Blackberries are the cheapest devices, but require a BES subscription to do email properly and have a more limited selection of apps. The HTC costs in-between, has an almost infinite selection of apps (windows mobile), but is slow and clumsy.
The other option is a cheap (bluetooth) phone for calls and an iPAQ PDA for web/email/windows stuff. They're the cheapest, but are limited to wi-fi/bluetooth - but that may be a boon if you're worried about data traffic costs. They can also be easily converted to a proper SatNav*, connect to other PC peripherals and have a big screen.
HP do 3G iPAQ smartphones, but I don't know much about them, might be worth a look if you must have everything in the one device. They seem to combine the plusses of Windows Mobile, with the same size and keypad as an E71/Blackberry, but aren't cheap.
* not the very approximate aerial signal strength triangulation phones do and call SatNav
It's not annoying once you get used to it. Obviously it has no tactile response, but as input for a mobile device it's the best I've used and I have big hands.Mr. Johnson wrote:Prof's blackberry looked pretty cool, and it has buttons rather than an annoying touch screen.
I sent a txt on my work N95 earlier, christ that was painful.
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yes i love my blackberry bold (on orange)
I have had a bit of trouble with reliability, and a fight with a lake, but orange swap it over next day (even on sundays) so it wasnt an issue.
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unlimited data, and can use as 3g usb modem. no port restrictions ive found.
an app to do anything you like and no apple-restrictions
battery life is ok - couple of days or so even with all the wifi/3g/bt all on. If u use GPS for a road trip you'll need a charger - lasts about 4 hours as a satnav.
i dont use bes - works fine on internet service with gmail and gapps but depends if u use exchange etc
I have had a bit of trouble with reliability, and a fight with a lake, but orange swap it over next day (even on sundays) so it wasnt an issue.
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To each his own, but I never got on with touch screens, I know they've evolved alot but it still seems like a gimmick to me imo.spoodie wrote: It's not annoying once you get used to it. Obviously it has no tactile response, but as input for a mobile device it's the best I've used and I have big hands.
I sent a txt on my work N95 earlier, christ that was painful.
It's just that I like the feel of buttons I think, it's reassuring.
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Ohh, I'll be keeping an eye on this thread as my contact ends soon and I'm looking to move away from the shit that is 3 mobile.
BTW, make sure you clarify what "unlimited" means. Talking to a 3 sales person the other day, they stated that most places only allow up to 500mb a month whist 3 give away 1gb.
I'm pretty sure that the word unlimited means without restriction so Shirley this is false advertising?
BTW, make sure you clarify what "unlimited" means. Talking to a 3 sales person the other day, they stated that most places only allow up to 500mb a month whist 3 give away 1gb.
I'm pretty sure that the word unlimited means without restriction so Shirley this is false advertising?
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interesting. my contract ran out a month ago and I can't decide between iphone (which is nice, but as mentioned is o2/locked in/expensive) and anything else on the market.
Had Nokia's for years (such as the Nokia 7110,6310i,6630,n70 and latest n95) but I can't see anything that excites me from them at the moment except perhaps the n900, but that looks a bit bulky and I'd rather see one in action first.
Had Nokia's for years (such as the Nokia 7110,6310i,6630,n70 and latest n95) but I can't see anything that excites me from them at the moment except perhaps the n900, but that looks a bit bulky and I'd rather see one in action first.
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n97 as another nokia option?
Most of the htc's are better options as is the new xperia 2 from sony imo. You can get android or windows mobile run htc's, better res, better connection options in terms of wi-fi and that hsdspaspa isn't on the iphone so it's generally not capable of going as fast. (Although the truth is it matters very little given the throttling carried out by most providers)
Most of the htc's are better options as is the new xperia 2 from sony imo. You can get android or windows mobile run htc's, better res, better connection options in terms of wi-fi and that hsdspaspa isn't on the iphone so it's generally not capable of going as fast. (Although the truth is it matters very little given the throttling carried out by most providers)
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cheeseandham wrote:interesting. my contract ran out a month ago and I can't decide between iphone (which is nice, but as mentioned is o2/locked in/expensive) and anything else on the market.
Had Nokia's for years (such as the Nokia 7110,6310i,6630,n70 and latest n95) but I can't see anything that excites me from them at the moment except perhaps the n900, but that looks a bit bulky and I'd rather see one in action first.
I think my contract ran out ages ago. Problem is I've no idea what phone I'd upgrade to as I'm a) not well versed in the technology and b) not inclined to care. However, I don't like my *checks* Nokia N73. Never have, always felt clunky and ugly. My criteria then, if anyone would care to recommend something on a free (or inexpensive) upgrade, and while we're on the subject, are (in order of importance):
Makes phone calls
Texts a bit
Looks nice
Can take Micro SD card (since I have one and I'd have nowhere to put it otherwise)
Has a camera that can take pictures
Can store shit. Mainly MP3s, but maybe files and stuff. I've done it before.
Games maybe
I'm on an O2 contract. I know I can look up what they can give me, but I know nothing about phones and all the bumph just looks like gobbledygook. I did like my old Motorola V3 though.
Makes phone calls
Texts a bit
Looks nice
Can take Micro SD card (since I have one and I'd have nowhere to put it otherwise)
Has a camera that can take pictures
Can store shit. Mainly MP3s, but maybe files and stuff. I've done it before.
Games maybe
I'm on an O2 contract. I know I can look up what they can give me, but I know nothing about phones and all the bumph just looks like gobbledygook. I did like my old Motorola V3 though.
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I've been warned away from the n97 and the n96 by it's users. Battery life crap and the n97's seem to have a bit of EA syndrome (release now, patch it later)HereComesPete wrote:n97 as another nokia option?
Dogpants - always either get a new phone and flog it off or renegotiate your contract without a new phone. The mobile providers make millions from people like you. You're essentially paying your mobile tariff + your new phone tax - without getting a new phone.
And if you have an N73, then get an N95 for a Nokia phone that is a phone, but texts and does MP3's, has the microSD and has the problems of the N7x's worked out. also has a similar interface and uses the same PC software so you don't have to work it all out all over again - (Nokia fanboy over and out).
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Pants! Sign up at o2 online if you haven't already. It tells you when you are due a new phone. If it was ages ago, use their lack of contact (if there hasn't been any) as an extra tool to haggle extra stuff. Like 'ham said, get a new phone as soon as you can, you're now paying for your new phone but living wth your old one which you don't even like.
I think the n95 may well fall into the clunky and ugly category for pants given his dislike of the 73.
Does size matter pants? (hur hur) Are you hankering for a smart phone that you really wouldn't use most of the options on enough? I'm after a pda device because I use them for lots of gubbins whilst travelling, but I may get a laptop and a cheap mobile instead.
I think the n95 may well fall into the clunky and ugly category for pants given his dislike of the 73.
Does size matter pants? (hur hur) Are you hankering for a smart phone that you really wouldn't use most of the options on enough? I'm after a pda device because I use them for lots of gubbins whilst travelling, but I may get a laptop and a cheap mobile instead.
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Like I saidDog Pants wrote:Well I can upgrade online now so I can sit and peruse the (rather limited) options. One was an iPhone, and I'm tempted to get one because I can, but only because the other phones look dull and that one looks interesting.
I think the selection on o2 online is shit so I'm looking at third party sellers.Something small and interesting. I don't really give a shit about internets and stuff, although cool little gadgets might amuse me.
Free options are:
iPhone 3G 16GB refurbished
iPhone 3G 8GB
Nokia 6303
Nokia N73
Samsung Solid Extreme
Samsung Soul
Samsung U800
Samsung Beat DJ
Samsung Pixon
Samsung Lucido
Samsung Tocco Lite
Sony Ericsson W995
Sony Ericsson W705
Sony Ericsson C902
Sony Ericsson W890i Mocha
I don't know what any of them are apart from the iPhone and the N73. There's a few there for an extra £50, but none look any more interesting than the free ones. The N93 isn't an option.
Like I said, I could google them all, but I'd just be basing my opinion on the score they get. That's what I'll do though if nobody has an opinion either way.
Free options are:
iPhone 3G 16GB refurbished
iPhone 3G 8GB
Nokia 6303
Nokia N73
Samsung Solid Extreme
Samsung Soul
Samsung U800
Samsung Beat DJ
Samsung Pixon
Samsung Lucido
Samsung Tocco Lite
Sony Ericsson W995
Sony Ericsson W705
Sony Ericsson C902
Sony Ericsson W890i Mocha
I don't know what any of them are apart from the iPhone and the N73. There's a few there for an extra £50, but none look any more interesting than the free ones. The N93 isn't an option.
Like I said, I could google them all, but I'd just be basing my opinion on the score they get. That's what I'll do though if nobody has an opinion either way.
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My last phone was an n73 pants, dun do it, it's a complete brick that takes about a week to turn on. Other than that it's fine 
I now have a dreadfully pretty 6600 fold. But i need to get out of the grips of three, as they're shit. Trying to get a copy of my receipt of purchase from their indian call centers (that always ask how are you today) is like pulling teeth. They sent it by email, but it was a corrupt word document, when i told them this they said they would send another copy. Obviously the cretins there just sent the same corrupt file, and after a third time of this happening i just gave up.
I now have a dreadfully pretty 6600 fold. But i need to get out of the grips of three, as they're shit. Trying to get a copy of my receipt of purchase from their indian call centers (that always ask how are you today) is like pulling teeth. They sent it by email, but it was a corrupt word document, when i told them this they said they would send another copy. Obviously the cretins there just sent the same corrupt file, and after a third time of this happening i just gave up.