More crazy ideas

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[fabyak]

But then I haven't yet looked at capital module skills yet...

/me goes to investigate what the damage is going to be for them...

[edit] not as far off as I thought... hmmmmmmmmmmmm

im looking forward to the 5punkfleet charging through space with its carrier and/or titan and/or freighters

[Hehulk]

* Hehulk casts thread revival

So, about that tenerifis idea we have back in april... I've spent this morning looking into it as a viable idea and without seeing the belts down there for myself (Contract states we're not allowed into tenerifis without having paid or at least that's how I understand it) It seems like a semi-viable idea. I say semi-viable because if the roid belts are rubbish, it's hard to recoup your isk, thought it's possible with ratting. Just not as fast.

Now, what I'm thinking right now is that this shouldn't be a corp funded thing. Perhaps in the future but we as indivduals (some of us more than others ) make stupid amounts of isk while the corp makes nothing (POS chain asside, but even that's going to start paying out monthly dividends to corp members once we get a carrier and freighter paid for) because of 0% tax.

So, here's my proposal:

Right now the corp has a spare small POS lying around that's doing nothing and would be great as a small base. Those of us who go down there and spilt the 300 mil cost between us would use this as a staging point a few jumps from LV Calico to do mining, ratting and whatever else comes to mind to make isk. The corp would supply fuel but in exchange we would harvest scandium for the POS chain.
Once a week (complete bare mininium) I'd break out my Hulk, head into the roid belts for a few hours and make my isk towards the weekly rent. Anyone would be welcome to come mine/haul/run gang links for me and we'd split the minerals at the end. We'd pay this to an alt who would then pay it to 5punkorps corporate wallet. Payment would be due 2 days before we pay our weekly rent (to insure that we have the isk in place when the bill comes). If you missed payment once, you'd becoming indebted to the corp. Missed it twice in a row and you would be asked to leave tenerifis and make reperations to the corp.

That might sound harsh, but if say 6 of us go, we're only talking about raising 50 mil each. Should should be a caek (Hmm ) walk given that I just make 1/2 billion in W9- in 8 days.

Pros:
Good, High quality ratting (I'm told that triple 1.8 mil spawns arn't uncommon)
best ore eve can offer (there's Mercoxit, Arkonor and Bistot down there)
A secure source of scandium

Cons:
Cost
We'd have another POS to fuel, even if it would be a small
I'm worried people would abandon the current POS chain (even though me and Friz pretty much run it all ourselves)
We'd leave our friends in rogue elements behind.


Thoughts? (And this is mainly comming from a small dream I have to just buy capitals outright for the corp. I've got enough ships now )

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[friznit]

My personal priorities are corp first (POS chain, Fw4ppers recruiting and training, corp member retention) followed by personal isk and dicking about in shiny ships for a laugh. In principle I support the idea of having Tenerifis as an option (note, as opposed to 'moving out' there). The plan to have a small POS preferably mining Scandium and as a base for ratting/mining is a sound one.

The limitation must be that those who do go there to mine/rat must take full responsibility for the 300mill fee as well as maintenance of the POS. The corp effort will extend to buying in fuel along with the rest of the chain, and having it shipped to Tycho. But refuelling the small CT and moving the Scandium back to Tycho will be up to those operating out there. I spend enough time covering the towers we have locally and I'm not sure I could face managing another one 12 jumps in the opposite direction.

Don't worry about the current POS chain 'turning off', not an issue.

A carrier isn't a total panacea for logisitics: cargo bay is pretty small. But it will help a lot (even if it only did Tycho->W9).

Leaving W9 / R-E behind? Maybe, possibly....so what?

300mill fee is the big ouch. Being tied to having to produce large amounts of isk weekly is gonna grind, especially if we go through periods of relative inactivity like we've had recently.

And a third tier is not a good plan at all.

[Hehulk]

My main concern is that if you, me, friz, fab, wiggy (those I'd think would go) and whoever else start up in 'refis, is the POS chain not just going to turn off due to lack of maintenance?

I know you and friz do pretty much all the work on that score anyway, but could you devote the same time to it to keep things as they are?

I'm with Friz on this. I'd dearly love to go to Tenerifis but I will not sacrifice the POS chain in Catch for some ore in tenerifis. Anyway, I'm rich enough.

I am coming round to the idea myself, I'd love to be out there, but I equally don't know if I could earn the isk to pay my own way. RL may just get in the way.

That's part of the reason I'd break my hulk out once a week (Indeed, part of the reason I bought it). And this isn't one of those trying to be self-rightous things. I'd be making isk too, but it'd help everyone else do it. 5punky way don't ya know

My original suggestion to avoid massive fees was to splinter the corp into a third tier, but having looked at the figures, that isn't actually necessary due to the 300M per corp minimum payment. So the cost is a moot point until we have over 20 members. Only those operating in 'refis would be expected to pay for the priviledge, but it would be the main condition of going out there, and the less people do go, the more they each have to pay. 5punkorp will not pick up the tab. Unless we decide by unanimous director vote to do so. That condition I place now by the way.

I can see the arguement here for both sides narf, and I'm not sure which is better. On one hand we'd have a corp of people guaranteed to pay fees (at which point if they failed to pay twice I'd look at kicking said member instead of saying feck off), but on the other it'd cause all kinds of logistical problems with POS fueling and such.

Also, for those who did decide to go to 'refis, they must understand thoroughly the implications of being a resident there. Reading the 'refis forum recently shows just how vital it is to be a part of that wider community, and not just lurk about ratting the whole time.

Is it worth the cost? Yes. Is it worth the price in other ways though?

There's over 300 people (in theory) currently living in Tenerifis. Out of that many I'd say 95% don't post on the forums. The few that do, are either decent people I wouldn't mind getting to know or cunts (*coughpraxiscough*).

The cost? well, perhaps. Perhaps not.

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[friznit]

Tenerifis is one which I think requires further discussion.

So another idea for the pot. If possible, could/should we upgade POS1 to a large tower so as to faciliate such things as the intense refining array, research pods and/or manufacturing arrays? Just an idea...

On my list of things to do: POS3 is inefficent cos it's the wrong type of tower for what it's doing. When I get round to it I'll crunch some numbers. We may be able to do what we're doing by just swapping a couple of towers about (easier said than done I know).

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Well, the point I'm going to bring up is that my current goal, along with one touched on by Friz, is to grow the corps. Capitals, carriers, vast POS forests, all take one component you can't buy on the pc or npc markets, players. So, one way or another, I want to VASTLY increase the size of the corps, to the point where we could split the cost of Tenefris 50 ways or more, instead of 5 or 6. Also, the concept of a third 'tier' of the corp.... I'm almost of the opinion that we need to have the directors be in charge of their own 'branches', or units as the military minded amongst us would understand. The mining/production director would direct the actions of those that are in those fields, the POS director would coordinate hauling/scouting/security operations involving that area, with room for pvp directors to coordinate efforts concerning security or perhaps someday aggresive operations into occupied territories. One or others of these may need to be 'outside' the 5punk ISS Alliance branch, hence what I envision as the 3rd tier. Fw4ppers should stay directed at recruitment/training, but at the scale I envision, will need some permanent members to truly coordinate and support efforts thus aligned.

Again, this is just my vision, and my primary reason for going into barges, as mining with a barge will fit well with recruiting. Perhaps even for mining ices for the POS forests of DOOM!

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[centerededgedesign]

/me casts thread revival

Any thoughts on recruiting right now? Anyone know of somebody in Eve that is looking for our 5punky flavor of fun?

[friznit]

I'm always on the look out for more people. Specifically we now need more Euro TZ PvPers, min 5mill SP desirable but not so important as a willingness to participate and have fun.

[bomberesque]

our 5punky flavor of fun